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RollOnFriday - law firm writes report called "Only adults? Good practices in legal gender recognition for youth"

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somebrightmorning Fri 29-Nov-19 19:04:14

RollOnFriday is a satirical online magazine for solicitors.

Dentons is a very very large law firm (but I'm not impressed because I remember them when they were merely Denton Hall....)

I commend this article from RollOnFriday to you:

and I see RollOnFriday also reported this:

You will like this extract:
"Critics of gender self-ID have warned that it will adversely impact women and children in many areas, including rape crisis centres, single-sex hospital wards, women’s sport and identification of discrimination. Dentons' 65-page report characterises their position in two sentences, as concerns which "normally come from women’s groups" about "female prisoners and female public toilets".

Dentons' report also describes critics of gender self-ID as 'TERFs', which began as an acronym for "trans-exclusionary radical feminists" and is understood by many of its targets as a misogynist slur.

When it was asked to comment on aspects of its report, Dentons initially offered up Atanas Politov, its Director for Pro Bono, for an interview. Then it asked for written questions in advance. When these were provided, the world's largest firm by headcount was unable to find anyone prepared to answer them, and gave a general statement instead."

My own position is that hormonal or surgical intervention on a 12 year old is prima facie child abuse and so I'm very surprised that Dentons published such a report.

Procrastinator2 Mon 02-Dec-19 17:43:13

Eurochick The Law Society Gazette published a small announcement about the Denton's report and did not question the contents at all.

Kit19 Mon 02-Dec-19 17:47:34

I expect this guy probably has something to do with it

Kit19 Mon 02-Dec-19 17:48:58

Kit19 Mon 02-Dec-19 17:52:29

And a special highlighting the t event

eurochick Mon 02-Dec-19 18:00:31

@Procrastinator2 could you clarify what point you are making. Sorry I'm not understanding.

If you are saying that publishing something about it in the Gazette is some sort of endorsement by lawyers in general then I don't agree. The Gazette is not well regarded in the profession but in any event they don't seem to have commented supporting the report. But perhaps your point is a different one.

somebrightmorning Mon 02-Dec-19 18:26:34

The involvement of the law firms is baffling.

15 years ago my gay colleague came out to me at our large law firm. Only 15 years ago. I think this has something to do with it. Also that fewer gay people have children compared to the average and that means no parental leave.... something quite attractive to the big firms.

Procrastinator2 Mon 02-Dec-19 18:28:30

Eurochick my point isn't that all solicitors are complicit or bad, just that, as poor as the journalist standards might be in the Gazette, you would have hoped the reporter would have picked up on the significance of Denton's report. If a trade mag for solicitors doesn't question, then what hope for the rest of the press? And since the Law Soc was collecting information by gender rather than sex perhaps they have already fallen which is concerning

somebrightmorning Mon 02-Dec-19 18:30:39

I think the Gazette is just the voice of the Law Society. It doesn’t do investigative journalism.

Clymene Mon 02-Dec-19 18:32:36

So a property legal specialist has put time, energy and money into a report about how best to covertly change national law. Wow, that really is quite something.

Dentons do not have a very good reputation (unsurprisingly it seems!)

Datun Mon 02-Dec-19 18:36:18

I don't really get it. What did they think would happen when this document was made public? Was it supposed to be kept under wraps?

It's so utterly damning. It's awful

somebrightmorning Mon 02-Dec-19 18:44:09

Very few people would have read it. Certainly no one with any real power in the firm. Probably just one rather junior partner and some trainees/paralegals.

I rather suspect a few more are reading it now though..... the firm has disgraced itself.

Floisme Mon 02-Dec-19 19:16:24


Nothing else to add - just bumping.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Mon 02-Dec-19 19:21:22

It's interesting that it was only published this month, I'm not quite sure if it's purpose given that it has already happened in the UK.

Also wondering who the UK NGO that wanted to remain anonymous is, and why they wanted to remain anonymous...

BarbaraStrozzi Mon 02-Dec-19 19:22:32

James Kirkup is on it for the Spectator!

Excellent article.

SonicVersusGynaephobia Mon 02-Dec-19 20:13:13

I keep thinking "this is the moment/article where politicians wake up".

But they don't.

Why?! This is about as damning as it gets!

nauticant Mon 02-Dec-19 20:20:05

Cost benefit analysis. They'll only switch horses when they're sure that gets them onto a winner.

To be honest, which of us are, at this time, sure that the gender identity ideology won't win?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Mon 02-Dec-19 20:49:57

Just saw this linked on Twitter

Sex Reassignment Surgery Market will exceed USD 968 million by 2024; as per a new research report. Increase in number of gender reassignment surgical procedures across the world will drive the growth of sex reassignment surgery market. There has been an increase in the patients wanting to change their sex from male to female or vice versa, increasing nearly fourfold in the last decade.

A concerning number of transgender patients that have undergone gender reassignment surgeries have expressed regrets, suicidal thoughts and depression. Increase in number of sex change regret incidence will affect the growth of sex reassignment market as it will lead to decline in the number of people opting for surgical procedures

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Mon 02-Dec-19 20:53:43

Oops wrong thread blush

mcduffy Mon 02-Dec-19 21:43:49

shock at all of this!
I do feel so much more positive now it's going mainstream.

ScrimshawTheSecond Mon 02-Dec-19 22:52:08

I think it's relevant anyway, ItsAllGoing.

Datun Tue 03-Dec-19 00:35:08

Sex Reassignment Surgery Market will exceed USD 968 million by 2024; as per a new research report. Increase in number of gender reassignment surgical procedures across the world will drive the growth of sex reassignment surgery market.

But here government and the tax payer pay. Which is why it's not leaping ahead at such a pace.

TimeLady Tue 03-Dec-19 01:31:13

The implications of Reuters' association with this is hard to take in. Are we seriously looking at a major respected international press agency actively advocating suppressing news to prevent reasoned discussion of proposed new laws? That's way bigger than Denton's involvement.

We've already seen the way it works with the BBC. Many people have long regarded the Beeb as an impartial source of accurate reporting (my DH still does) but my eyes have been well and truly opened by the number of important stories brought to our attention on FWR that never see the light of day. What they fail to report is just as influencial as what they do.
Remember the Challenor case? Barely a mention - as I seem to recall it was buried somewhere in the Coventry local news section.

That's what's as so chilling about this report; it's already happening

arethereanyusernamesleftatall Tue 03-Dec-19 02:05:37

Remember the Challenor case? Barely a mention - as I seem to recall it was buried somewhere in the Coventry local news section

Yes, that's right. David Challenor got 22 (or was it 23?) years for the kidnap and rape of a 10 year old girl in his his house which was listed as the Green party HQ in Cambridge - and the BBC ran it as local news.

Floisme Tue 03-Dec-19 07:13:23

It's 12 hours since I saw this and I'm still shock. I'm sure I remember a thread about a conference where there was discussion about changing laws by stealth, but to have the chutzpah to lay it all out in writing feels like a whole new level.
Thank goodness for James Kirkup.

BarbaraStrozzi Tue 03-Dec-19 07:14:27

Harry's judicial review got buried in the local news Lincolnshire section of the BBC website.

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