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cwg1 Fri 29-Nov-19 15:42:50

Short story thing. Of course, damn device has been playing up and trying to post for ages...

AnotherNightWatering Fri 29-Nov-19 15:58:45

Am listening... can't believe it on the bbc shock

BlackeyedSusan Fri 29-Nov-19 16:00:08

Bloody brilliant.

MouseandCat Fri 29-Nov-19 16:00:10

It's perfect

BlackeyedSusan Fri 29-Nov-19 16:00:38

And so bloody clever.

AnotherNightWatering Fri 29-Nov-19 16:01:17

cwg1 Thank you for flagging this up! Fab story.

Here's the link

StillWeRise Fri 29-Nov-19 16:02:41

dont know why theyre calling it fact to fiction, this is all fact

cwg1 Fri 29-Nov-19 16:03:22

Brilliant!! Contrasting suffragist Joan, 2nd-waver Joanna and young Jo in 2019, working at a meeting - protestors outside, why #nodebate??

ErrolTheDragon Fri 29-Nov-19 16:03:27

I caught that by accident while I was chopping onions. Well, that's my excuse for tearing up.

Here's to all the waves of Joans, Joannas and Jos.

Herocomplex Fri 29-Nov-19 16:05:07

Very good.

‘From Fact To Fiction’ is a long running theme. A very current topic/news story is made into a short story.

vaginafetishist Fri 29-Nov-19 16:06:06

Oh my gosh I'm just in shock...what have I just heard. Who is this woman?

vaginafetishist Fri 29-Nov-19 16:06:44

The lips glued shut....

AnotherNightWatering Fri 29-Nov-19 16:09:06

She says she was commissioned.

earlydoors42 Fri 29-Nov-19 16:15:01

This was amazing!

nauticant Fri 29-Nov-19 16:16:26

Wow! I'd made a note to listen to this and was expecting the third wave to be about stunning and brave women.

ErrolTheDragon Fri 29-Nov-19 16:20:00

Good work Hannah - and it was well read too.

Melroses Fri 29-Nov-19 16:27:39

Wow - that was good and really enjoyable too.

NonnyMouse1337 Fri 29-Nov-19 16:29:16

Wow... I'm impressed by this. Wonderfully woven story across the eras. Brilliant narration. smile

vaginafetishist Fri 29-Nov-19 16:32:51

nauticant I was too.
She was so clever to put it into the clearest possible terms of men and women. You can't deny what's going on. Of course speaking clearly helps this to happen.

SpringFan Fri 29-Nov-19 16:34:40

Outstanding. I wanted to cheer.

TiredofthisBS Fri 29-Nov-19 16:37:58

That was amazing!

BarbaraStrozzi Fri 29-Nov-19 16:43:28

A great little piece.

BiologyIsReal Fri 29-Nov-19 16:44:09

Great. Really resonates. I'm 76 so in 1974 I was a year younger than the character Joanna and well remember the fights we had for equal pay, the need to get a male guarantor and all that shit.

But where I didn't identify was in the personal and work situation. I married in 1966 and worked full time all my life and my marriage with my late husband was one of total partnership - sharing the money making, the domestic work and parenting. And there were many women like me. In fact nearly all my friends.

Being a second wave feminist was bloody wonderful.

Zeugma Fri 29-Nov-19 16:47:33

I just happened to hear this and it was absolutely WONDERFUL. I’m so glad there’s a thread, I came on here to start one if there wasn’t one already.

LangCleg Fri 29-Nov-19 16:49:43

This is bloody brilliant! Did the BBC censors have a day off?!


TinselAngel Fri 29-Nov-19 17:04:56

That made me cry.

Sidhefae Fri 29-Nov-19 17:20:42

Caught it by accident on my drive home. I had to check that it was actually on R4 and having confirmed that it was I think I was open mouthed with astonishment for at least three miles. Came straight here when I got in to see if anything had been posted about it. Brilliant piece.

WineGummyBear Fri 29-Nov-19 17:39:56

Caught it by accident and couldn't believe my ears.

Really really excellent.

SpringFan Fri 29-Nov-19 17:42:34

ANyone fancy nominating it for pick of the week?

SpringFan Fri 29-Nov-19 17:47:05

I think the address is if you wanted to

vaguelyoptimistic Fri 29-Nov-19 17:49:42

I also caught this by accident. Great framing of the current debate "no debate" with no mention of transgender as such (as far as I remember) just gender identity. Hopefully people who aren't aware of the current situation may decide to look into things further and realise just what is at stake.

terryleather Fri 29-Nov-19 17:50:18

Just listened to this. Bloody brilliant.

Knowing what they're like, I'm having to pinch myself that this was actually broadcast on the BBC.

Uncompromisingwoman Fri 29-Nov-19 17:56:32

A lovely heartwarming start to the weekend. And on the BBC as well shock

somebrightmorning Fri 29-Nov-19 18:03:14

Well I'd better bloody give it a listen then, eh?

happydappy2 Fri 29-Nov-19 18:06:27

Beautifully read & so true! Women have faced millennia of oppression because we are women-for men to now identify into this group is grotesque. Transwomen should accept that they are transwomen and leave women & their sex segregated spaces alone.

Whatisthisfuckery Fri 29-Nov-19 18:11:12


BernardBlacksWineIceLolly Fri 29-Nov-19 18:17:00

oh that was gorgeous. Thanks for posting here OP, I wouldn't have caught it otherwise. it made me well up. now THAT'S what I pay my bloody licence fee for.

have nominated it for pick the week, thanks for posting the email address.

TinaBarrow Fri 29-Nov-19 18:18:02

I was glued to the radio. Couldn't believe my ears. Braced myself for something postmodern/queer to be the 2019 feminist experience... But it just kept hitting it out of the park. Superb writing and proper support for feminists having to keep on fighting battles that should have been won by now. The image of the male protestor's spit as he screamed into the face of the women attending the meeting...
Well done Hannah McGill star

CriticalCondition Fri 29-Nov-19 18:50:21

That was so true it gave me goosebumps.

Cuntysnark Fri 29-Nov-19 18:57:26

Utterly brilliant.

cwg1 Fri 29-Nov-19 19:10:31

Yes - brilliant idea to nominate for Pick of the Week. Please do so.

Thank you to Hannah and narrator for a wonderful programme, and turned around in just five days - that's awesome!

Nappyvalley15 Fri 29-Nov-19 19:17:21

Absolutely bloody brilliant!

PencilsInSpace Fri 29-Nov-19 19:17:38

I heard a trailer for this shortly before it was on and I switched the radio off because I thought it would be the usual BBC hatchet job.

I've just listened now and it was brilliant! Thank you Hannah McGill flowers

I liked how she completely swerved past the 'third wave' sex pos libfems and focussed on the actual waves of actual proper feminism.

The ones with dangerous meetings.

Melroses Fri 29-Nov-19 19:17:41

Shame about the now show though hmm

ShesDressedInBlackAgain Fri 29-Nov-19 19:57:09

Well It's always a shame about The Now Show but what in particular?

nauticant Fri 29-Nov-19 21:19:41

How it's wonderful how everything is about gender now rather than sex meaning we can all be pansexual. (No, don't ask me to explain what they're on about.)

Melroses Fri 29-Nov-19 21:26:37

Well It's always a shame about The Now Show Well that is true. this was the wok comic turn in the middle of the general shoutiness.

How come pansexual is not pangendual? confused

Melroses Fri 29-Nov-19 21:27:15

woke, not wok blush -

OldCrone Fri 29-Nov-19 21:32:25

I caught the end of this when I put the radio on in the car. I couldn't believe my ears and I kept expecting it to revert to the usual BBC line. I'll listen to the whole thing later.

cwg1 Fri 29-Nov-19 21:41:12

wok grin

Melroses Fri 29-Nov-19 21:41:32

It is really worth listening to again. The last line was very moving.

Melroses Fri 29-Nov-19 21:42:47


It goes well with the pans grin

SonicVersusGynaephobia Fri 29-Nov-19 22:19:39

I could not believe what I was hearing either when I heard this earlier. It was WONDERFUL.

What happened at the BBC which caused that to slip through the net?

Radfempirate Fri 29-Nov-19 23:39:27

It's beautiful!

BoreOfWhabylon Sat 30-Nov-19 01:34:06

That was amazing. Thank you Hannah.

The tide has turned all right.

Ereshkigal Sat 30-Nov-19 02:00:38

Wow. That was amazing.

Ereshkigal Sat 30-Nov-19 02:02:24

I liked how she completely swerved past the 'third wave' sex pos libfems and focussed on the actual waves of actual proper feminism.

The ones with dangerous meetings.

Yes, exactly.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly Sat 30-Nov-19 07:33:32

just bumping this for the weekend crowd. it really is worth a listen

notnowdennis Sat 30-Nov-19 08:25:12

Loved it!

Datun Sat 30-Nov-19 08:33:21

That was excellent. All the more powerful for its slight air of understatement.

And the theme of the men's utter determination to shut women up was chilling. And oh so recognisable.

Spittle indeed.

TimeLady Sat 30-Nov-19 08:39:52

A new Controller was appointed to Radio 4 in July. I wonder if that's why we're seeing a less one-sided viewpoint?

HumberHellraiser Sat 30-Nov-19 08:54:31

Wow! thank you Hannah!

motorcyclenumptiness Sat 30-Nov-19 09:11:45

Amazing - beautifully written and delivered. Thanks for the heads-up, op.

MsMcWibble Sat 30-Nov-19 09:59:00

I loved the bit about 'no debate' - how they even had a debate about moving the TV, but weren't supposed to discuss the redefinition of 'women'.

LangCleg Sat 30-Nov-19 10:41:58

How long is it available for?

Can we save it for future recommendations? Will Hannah have a copy that we will be able to share?

nauticant Sat 30-Nov-19 10:45:53

From the webpage:

Released On: 29 Nov 2019
Available for 29 days

After that it might be gone with maybe occasional revivals on 4Extra.

StillWeRise Sat 30-Nov-19 17:26:43

I've suggested it for pick of the week

Helmetbymidnight Sat 30-Nov-19 17:42:34

Dh heard this and told me I had to listen to it, I'd love it.

I didn't believe him. grin

Will def try to catch it on I-player.

nauticant Sat 30-Nov-19 17:55:04

Believe your husband.

This might be the only time I write those words.

Helmetbymidnight Sat 30-Nov-19 18:40:49


i just listened- great stuff. brilliant to hear the parallels with past struggles spelled out explicitly like that. brilliant to hear the modern day struggle laid out like that- it shouldnt be 'brave' or 'unusual' to have this kind of drama but this is where we are and that was both.

SpringFan Sat 30-Nov-19 19:04:40

I've nominated for POTW too.

ScrimshawTheSecond Sat 30-Nov-19 20:32:08


InTheShadowOfTheMushroomCloud Sat 30-Nov-19 20:38:55

DH heard this yesterday when out in his lorry...told me about it when he woke up this morning ( he gets in late)

He understands it and hopes others do too...

cwg1 Sat 30-Nov-19 21:21:57

I'm getting excited now - everything crossed that FWR power gets it onto Pick of the Week.

Cuntysnark Sat 30-Nov-19 21:29:15

We can but wish. The tide may be turning but I wish it would hurry up.

Sparkyduchess Sat 30-Nov-19 21:29:25

That was unbelievably good, even better the second time I played it.

Gosbsmacked the BBC aired it !

GCAcademic Sat 30-Nov-19 21:31:08

This was really wonderful. I might just have nominated it for PotW too . . .

niceberg Sun 01-Dec-19 14:09:56

Oh gosh. Just listened. How brilliant in itself, and that it was on the BBC.

HollowTalk Sun 01-Dec-19 14:29:52

I've nominated it - such a shock that this was on the BBC.

Etinox Sun 01-Dec-19 16:06:40

Another one who’s dh sent me a link saying ‘you’ll love this!’

Flywheel Sun 01-Dec-19 18:26:26

Does anyone know if the text is available. Don't have access to iPlayer

SpringFan Sun 01-Dec-19 22:08:41

its on BBC sounds, which doesn't need you to have a licence I think.

cordeliavorkosigan Mon 02-Dec-19 02:42:21

I clicked through on safari on my iPad and it played fine.

I love love love the point where the gender ideology claims that it wasn’t their bodies that made the first two women women, it was their identities.
Such an effective piece. We should post the transcript. Or ask the bbc to do so, if it’s copyrighted?

Backinthecloset123 Mon 02-Dec-19 03:40:01

I've searched, but where is the link to this? (Kiwi as well)

Backinthecloset123 Mon 02-Dec-19 03:41:44

Humble apologies.

PurpleCrowbar Mon 02-Dec-19 04:25:29

Nice to wake up to.

Maybe the Beeb is starting to realise that we pay licence fees for Auntie, not Aunt Lydia.

ThePurported Mon 02-Dec-19 09:32:18

Wonderful, thank you op, I would have missed this.
The image of a young man screaming in the face of women gathering to discuss women's rights in 2019 <shudder>
Some things never change, it seems.

BovaryX Mon 02-Dec-19 10:19:16

One of the posters bears an image of a female mouth super glued shut

a lot of the protesters are men and Jo wonders why that is

Thank you for posting this link. What a superb piece. The fact the BBC is the forum suggests the media’s uncritical attitude to this issue is ending.....

merrymouse Mon 02-Dec-19 10:37:29

Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant!

"The young Joan read widely, kept a diary, outdid the boys in writings and mathematics at school and pictured being a scholar or a lawyer, but degrees for women were rarely and grudgingly offered. It was illegal for a woman to enter the legal profession"

Of Joanna "She did not have a bank account because she did not have her own money"

"Femaleness and maleness have changed they say, although they don't explain when and how this happened, only that it has. It was never the bodies of Joan or Joanna that made them women, it was that they identified as women".

TheWildPlaces Mon 02-Dec-19 11:17:23

I've just listened, and cried. Utterly brilliant. There is no way this would have been broadcast a year ago. We still have a long way to go here but something is shifting.

LondonLass61 Mon 02-Dec-19 11:21:48

Just amazing.

AllYouGoodGoodPeople Mon 02-Dec-19 17:05:59

That was very well done.

Manderleyagain Tue 03-Dec-19 13:33:57

Just got around to listening. Bloody Brilliant!

I read somewhere that it was commissioned.

The conversation itself is like a cursed book in a horror film - sums up the problem we have had. But this is helping to lift the curse.

SpringFan Sun 08-Dec-19 18:41:12

Its on POTW now!!
Well done us!

Etinox Sun 08-Dec-19 18:42:35

On radio 4 now! Did anyone catch how Adrian Chiles introduced it?

BoreOfWhabylon Sun 08-Dec-19 18:42:55


Adrian Chiles likes it too!

ErrolTheDragon Sun 08-Dec-19 19:23:05

Slight disappointment they chose a section which, whist powerful, was perhaps the 'easiest' and not remotely controversial.

Melroses Sun 08-Dec-19 19:28:56

Oh fuck, I was making the dinner whilst that was on and didn't listen angry I asked for it and all - thought they had sidelined it. So pleased it was on though.

Slight disappointment they chose a section which, whist powerful, was perhaps the 'easiest' and not remotely controversial. Sadly, that was inevitable, but it was all good so I am going to listen again whilst it is still there.

When is POW repeated?

Melroses Sun 08-Dec-19 19:29:58

Pick of the week.

Melroses Sun 08-Dec-19 19:33:01

Also on POW, the idea that smoking made women feel free!!! "Why haven't we evolved better to see through these tricks of the trade" (probably a misinterpretation of evolution there)

Gaslighting with cigarette lighting there.

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