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Does MN have a problem with trans people? **MNHQ edited title as OP has apologised for 'accusatory' tone**

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tryandempathise Wed 27-Nov-19 07:54:20

Seem to be threads constantly on the issue of trans.

Why?

Is it because it conflicts with the idea of sex as a construct?

Is it an age thing?

There must be mums on here with trans kids - do you just stay out of it?

Why the obsession with the idea of being attacked by trans women? Is it not the modern equivalent of homophobic blokes all thinking gay men want to rape them?

Trewser Wed 27-Nov-19 07:55:42

biscuit

TinselAngel Wed 27-Nov-19 07:56:45

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

TyroSaysMeow Wed 27-Nov-19 07:57:27

Haven't seen much hate for trans people here.

Genderist ideology, on the other hand...

Angryresister Wed 27-Nov-19 07:59:01

There are plenty of threads here talking about the reasons why some of us are worried about the view that TWAW just because they say are. Please read them , as women here are well informed

TyroSaysMeow Wed 27-Nov-19 07:59:33

Wait, I tell a lie - I've expressed hate for one trans person. Who raped me. We're allowed to hate rapists, right?

SpartacusAutisticus Wed 27-Nov-19 07:59:48

Sex isn't a construct.

HTH.

BadgertheBodger Wed 27-Nov-19 08:00:01

Good morning tryandempathise!

Can you outline more about why you think MN “hates” trans people? It’s a frankly outrageous statement which shows you’ve come over from some other place on the internet for the purpose of telling us silly old mummies off apparently without reading a single thread

An interesting first post on MN

NutRoastNancy Wed 27-Nov-19 08:00:19

Mumsnet does not hate trans people in my experience. The erasure if women’s rights is another matter.

FloralBunting Wed 27-Nov-19 08:01:08

1) sex isn't a construct.
2) lots of parents with kids caught up in the cult, yes.
3) this is the feminism board, concerned about male violence and privilege, whatever trans status they have.

HTH.

Ffsnosexallowed Wed 27-Nov-19 08:01:47

Sex isn't a construct, it's a biological reality. Gender is a construct.

QuentinWinters Wed 27-Nov-19 08:02:02

Why the obsession with the idea of being attacked by trans women?

Most feminists do think about male violence because it is a huge systematic problem affecting many many women. Why would transitioning stop a male being violent?

TheProdigalKittensReturn Wed 27-Nov-19 08:02:51

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DeeZastris Wed 27-Nov-19 08:05:02

If you see anything transphobic then please do report and the moderators will delete. HTH.

Coldwatershock Wed 27-Nov-19 08:06:38

Nice try OP

WorkingItOutAsIGo Wed 27-Nov-19 08:06:53

I have no particular concern about being attacked by transwomen.

My concern is if we open up women’s safe spaces to any man who wants to be in them (because once you allow self ID that is effectively what you are doing) then women will be at increased risk. It’s not transwomen I am concerned about. It’s the men who follow in their wake. Because the men who take advantage will be the rapists and abusers. The transwomen are the innocent Trojan Horse if you will let me muddle an anecdote.

I have long accepted transsexual women in my spaces and support everyone in living however they want.

HandsOffMyRights Wed 27-Nov-19 08:06:58

Your post is agesit and sexist OP.
Not to mention goady.

lemonsqueasy Wed 27-Nov-19 08:07:31

I NC cos I knew there would be some vitriol.

I did try to search for this subject but didn't find anything under transphobia

WorkingItOutAsIGo Wed 27-Nov-19 08:08:02

Also sorry had to dash as Aunt Bunbury called and needs my Madeira cake recipe.

SlipperyLizard Wed 27-Nov-19 08:08:31

Sex isn’t a construct, gender is. Our sex is our biological reality and the reason for our oppression the world over and throughout history.

The idea that being a woman is simply a feeling in our heads is deeply offensive to me and many women.

We don’t hate trans people, we just understand that human beings can’t change sex and that women’s sex-based rights are important and must be maintained.

DickKerrLadies Wed 27-Nov-19 08:10:47

Seem to be threads constantly on the issue of trans.

Why?

Someone has already linked to a really helpful thread but one of the reasons there are lots of threads here is because on other platforms discussions regarding women's rights are shut down.

Also, as news stories reach the mainstream, there are often people new to the debate turning up.

Is it because it conflicts with the idea of sex as a construct?

I don't understand this question. Sex is not a construct.

Is it an age thing?

No, there are women (and some men) of a range of ages here. Do you think it's an age thing?

Why the obsession with the idea of being attacked by trans women? Is it not the modern equivalent of homophobic blokes all thinking gay men want to rape them?

No, it's not. I don't think anyone here is 'obsessed' with the idea of being attacked by transwomen. confused Some women have been attacked by people who identify as transwomen which does get discussed but so do lots of other topic, such as medical experiments on children.

I hope that answers some of your questions.

lemonsqueasy Wed 27-Nov-19 08:12:36

Most feminists do think about male violence because it is a huge systematic problem affecting many many women. Why would transitioning stop a male being violent?

I see the issue then, it's that you don't believe that a person can be trans?

DickKerrLadies Wed 27-Nov-19 08:12:44

And, TBF, most of us are technically trans, by Stonewall's definitions.

It would be a bit silly if we hated ourselves!

DickKerrLadies Wed 27-Nov-19 08:13:20

What does it mean to be trans, to you?

lemonsqueasy Wed 27-Nov-19 08:14:28

Thanks @DickKerrLadies

Yeah I meant gender when I said sex.
I'll read the other thread and be back if I still think you're all wrong.

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