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Muststopfaffing Sun 24-Nov-19 16:51:49

I’ve decided to spoil my ballot in December. I cannot vote for the shit shows that are the Lib Dems, Labour or the Greens and even if the Tories had a better stance on women’s rights I can’t in all good conscience vote for them. I’m fuming that there is no one I can vote for as I feel very strongly that as so many fought for us to get the vote, and while so many women across the world don’t have it, all women should vote. I’m hoping the Suffragettes will forgive me- “No self respecting woman...” and all that. Plus, one party has had a 20,000+ majority in every election in my constituency since time began.

I have been wondering what I’m going to write on my ballot paper though. I want to write something that will get the message across to someone who has no idea what’s going on. I thought about the classic sticker woman “women don’t have penises” but I suspect round my rural neck of the woods that might be too subtle- as if anyone could think anything except only men have penises! I’ve also thought about “Google the Cotton Ceiling” but I’m not sure that’s right either.

For anyone who’s planning to spoil their ballot, what are you going to write?

Ineedacupofteadesperately Tue 03-Dec-19 11:21:57

I'm increasingly thinking I'm going to spoil my ballot by writing - this vote is for any party who doesn't force 9 year old girls against their will to accept male penis in single sex spaces and then X just under the Tory candidate - which will hopefully get it looked at (and if it counts for the Tory then so be it, as they're the best on sex based rights plus my Tory is in the safest Tory seat ever and it would require something like a 25,000 swing for anyone else to get in).

But it could obviously be snappier. I don't just want to write woman=adult human female because I think a lot of people just think 'duh, of course' not realising what is already lost and at stake.

winonah Tue 03-Dec-19 09:35:00

If you care about women's rights, vote tactically to get the tories out. Under austerity women have been hit disproportionately hard.

If you don't vote you are betraying all the women and girls in this country.

MsMcWibble Fri 29-Nov-19 10:07:07

posterexLtEveDallas Great idea.
posterSnarkyGorgon Bit patronising. What on earth makes you think that I haven't been doing all of this, and more?
As for Labour - I'm never going to forget delegates at the Labour conference condemning WPUK and the audience applause re the intimidation and harassment of women meeting to discuss their rights.
That's right, many many people in the Labour party don't even think we should be allowed to meet to discuss issues that concern us.

exLtEveDallas Fri 29-Nov-19 06:17:17

Months ago I signed up for YouGov polls. Over the last couple of weeks I’ve had constant questions about the election. Every time I have said I will be spoiling my vote and have written a scathing condemnation of all the parties.

It asks pretty much the same questions each time and I have been consistent with my answers. Hopefully there are others out there doing the same thing.

SadlyMissTaken Fri 29-Nov-19 05:25:58

I don't believe people in poverty now will be better off if a four day week is implemented. I think the working poor and those on day rates will be completely screwed.

Dangerfloof Fri 29-Nov-19 05:24:53

Alternatively, you lobby the candidates individually, you write to them, ask questions at meetings etc

What is it you think we've been doing the last few years. This actually came to my attention about 10 years ago and I wrote to my MP then. Was brushed off with "looks like homophobia to me" from the MP.
Hes still of the same opinion. How long do we campaign, how many letters will it take?

LangCleg Thu 28-Nov-19 23:11:36

Fuck all the poor single mothers and children suffering under austerity

And yet... Labour can only find the money to replace £9bn of the £30bn cut from welfare benefits (most of which has fallen on mothers and children) while shelling out £11bn on tuition fees for middle class students.

The group that will see least benefit from Labour's spending plans is the working poor (very often mothers and their children).

Some of us actually read the manifestos, you know.

SnarkyGorgon Thu 28-Nov-19 22:45:02

You think that the winner is going to look through your spoilt ballots and take in the message? They’re not going to care, why would they, they won anyway! And the candidates who lose? Even if they do care, guess what, they’re irrelevant, they lost, they have no influence, so even if you magically change their mind it makes no difference to the cause.

Alternatively, you lobby the candidates individually, you write to them, ask questions at meetings etc, whilst they’re campaigning. You raise it as an issue that is important to you. Make your case clearly and concisely and then go and vote- they’re never going to know you voted for them, but they will know that the issue is important to you as their constituent. And keep writing to them, once they take their seat, you keep writing and asking questions and trying to change their mind so that they can use their influence to make things better.

Spoiling your ballot may make you feel good in the moment, but it’ll do fuck all to help anyone else

MsMcWibble Thu 28-Nov-19 21:50:03

Oh, and I forgot to mention women losing their jobs and being arrested for wrongthink.
No, I won't vote for any of the bastards that condone this,

MagnificentDelurker Thu 28-Nov-19 21:36:16

I am a lurker here. I learned a lot about gender ideology on this board. However as much as I disagree with labour on self ID, I will still be voting labour. Both austerity and climate change will and have affected women most. So I don’t even have to hold my nose to vote labour.

MsMcWibble Thu 28-Nov-19 21:29:38

I live in a Tory/Lib Dem marginal. I cannot vote for either of them. Voting Labour would be no use at all, but I hate them anyway, so I won't.
I will spoil my ballot. I don't want an argument, but I won't be lectured at.
My background is just about as disadvantaged as you can get. I've got myself into a decent position where many of the problems we can all forsee may not affect me too much.
I'm taking this position for the women in prison and in shelters, the women who can't afford to go to places where there is adequate supervision of unisex spaces and will not be able to buy their way out of mixed sex wards.
I really do care about issues that will probably not affect me, but I just have a different idea of what those issues are.

Socrates11 Thu 28-Nov-19 21:29:20

Well see as how I was a single parent who lost my job in 2011 due to austerity and seen my community/NHS ripped apart, voting in the 2010 election, did sweet FA for my privilege.

Greens are what I think is necessary, who I've voted for (and once stood for) since I was 18, (except for a tactical Lib Dem in 2010), as we face catastrophic climate change. But the Tory (I've lobbied in Portcullis House three times now) will get in with a huge majority in my area, as the Eton/Oxford PPE shithead always does. Shit voting system means my vote means fuck all anyway.

JellySlice Thu 28-Nov-19 21:26:54

Some of us are in constituencies where our vote makes not a jot of difference.

If I was in a marginal seat, I would have to consider my options with a different perspective. But I'm not. My Tory MP has been our MP for over 20y, with nearly 60% of the vote and an overwhelming majority.

I cannot change his re-election. But I can make a statement of "None of the above", and why I feel that way.

josephineisblue Thu 28-Nov-19 21:09:11

Snarkygorgan hit the nail on the head.

This is what people mean when they talk about 'white feminism'. Feminism like this centres only white middle class women.

The idea that not voting is better because of one issue (and it is an important issue) but there is so much more going on.

My circumstances do not give me to the privilege to abstain from voting. Threads like this make me realise how much many feminist don't really care about the women's issues that don't directly effect them.

JellySlice Thu 28-Nov-19 18:34:27

As many PPs have pointed out, on this thread and others, spoiled ballots send no clear message other than "None of the above". It's unclear whether candidates pay any attention to messages written on the spoiled ballots.

In order to show our disaffection clearly, these messages need to be_ seen_.

It has been suggested that we post photos of our spoiled ballots on these threads, to assist journalists. I think that's an excellent idea, but please be careful. It is an offence to publicise any identifiable details of a vote.

Make sure you obscure the identification number on your ballot, and make sure that there is nothing identifiable or personal in the photo.

Protect women's rights. Transwomen are men.

SnarkyGorgon Thu 28-Nov-19 18:27:35

Cool, so whilst your having to declare bankruptcy because of the crippling medical bills you’ve amassed after the scrapping of the NHS, you can look back on this moment and think ‘well at least I made my opinions known’. No worries about mixed wards, because there won’t be any. Cool, good work everyone. Also, if you think BJ gives one shiny shit about women and our rights, you are delusional. The Tories are hoping for a low turnout, they do much better when fewer people vote. This thread is why GC feminists are so often dismissed as being aligned with the far right, massively undermining the arguments. Slow clap for all of you.

I live in a marginal seat, I have huge problems with Labour, but I’ll hold my nose and do it anyway, we cannot have a Tory landslide

Staffori Thu 28-Nov-19 18:15:56

Thismonkeysgonetodevon

I feel for you as I absolutely hate Labour but the Tories are destroying our NHS and if I were in your position I would vote tactically to try to get them out and then campaign against Labour's selling women out.

As I'm in a safe Labour seat, I'll be spoiling my ballot paper. I'm thinking of putting one of PP's woman stickers on mine.

bellinisurge Thu 28-Nov-19 18:08:07

The last French presidential election had such a high number of spoilt ballots, it made the news .

BillytheMountain Thu 28-Nov-19 17:47:17

If they recorded spoilt ballot papers in the UK this would be in a way worth it.

I agree with previous poster that this not the only issue at stake and it comes across as a bit quite entitled.

There are people dying in our country from austerity but it's obviously not you or your friends or family or community

littleslummygirl Thu 28-Nov-19 17:24:31

I don’t honestly think it will make any wider difference. I reckon there will be a record number of spoilt ballots this time as lots of voters won’t in the end be able to stomach the least worse option. But if you do spoil your ballot, then do also follow up with a letter and a reason to the party that you would have voted for. It might make them think hard about why they didn’t come closer. We are half the electorate and a spoilt ballot puts the voter into the silent minority/majority or the just don’t care in politicians’ eyes

Dangerfloof Thu 28-Nov-19 16:41:31

Fuck all the poor single mothers and children suffering under austerity

What single mothers? Do you mean non men?
If there is no such thing as woman, and if self id goes ahead there wont be women, there will be no single mothers. Or married mothers.

MrsFogi Thu 28-Nov-19 16:07:24

I take it that the postal voting forms are arriving now/soon - if you do spoil your vote please, please take photos so that we can post them all on a thread and then we can make them "count" a bit by putting them all online for any lurking journalists to pick up.

bellinisurge Thu 28-Nov-19 15:13:40

Just writing NONE on my paper.
I've been berated in other threads for saying I will be spoiling my paper.

josephineisblue Thu 28-Nov-19 15:10:38

I cannot believe the amount of supposedly feminist women who will not be voting.
You really must have a certain level of privilege to be able to abstain from voting because of your gender critical stance.

Fuck all the poor single mothers and children suffering under austerity hmm

Thismonkeysgonetodevon Thu 28-Nov-19 15:07:32

But it’s all already happening under the Tories sad

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