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Rachel McKinnon in the UK in October to lecture us on TW in sport!

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CloudRusting Tue 13-Aug-19 10:03:01

hmm

https://www.howtoacademy.com/events/transgender-athletes-and-the-science-of-fairness/?mc_cid=ad77a2171a&mc_eid=0ff868ffb0

From the listing:

Should trans athletes participate in women’s sport? Philosophy professor, activist and world champion cyclist Rachel McKinnon sifts science and ethics from politics and prejudice.

An issue with profound consequences for society’s ideas of fairness, gender, and equality, the participation of trans women in women’s competitive sports has made regular front page news.

Dr. Rachel McKinnon is at the forefront. As the first openly trans woman to win a world championship in an Olympic sport, she faces constant harassment and abuse on social media, while as an activist and public intellectual, her campaigns, papers, articles and interviews have done much to shift attitudes in the world of international sport and beyond.

In this talk, Dr. McKinnon will explore the ethics, law and science of fairness in sport, including whether biological restrictions such as testosterone limits violate principles of fairness and equality. Ahead of this autumn’s track racing world championship in Manchester, don’t miss this opportunity to hear from an internationally renowned athlete and scholar on how she is breaking down barriers and helping to overturn prejudice with science.

CloudRusting Tue 13-Aug-19 10:04:19

www.howtoacademy.com/events/transgender-athletes-and-the-science-of-fairness/?mc_cid=ad77a2171a&mc_eid=0ff868ffb0

CuriousaboutSamphire Tue 13-Aug-19 10:04:49

Euw! Gross!

DejaVulva Tue 13-Aug-19 10:11:36

We should all go and take with us recordings of laughter that we play incessantly! wink

Lordamighty Tue 13-Aug-19 10:13:49

How To Cheat At Sport by R McKinnon.

Retitled that for her.

LittleFairywren Tue 13-Aug-19 10:18:41

Well I'm sure that will be an unbiased and fair assessment of facts. Internationally renowned. Yeah right.

NotBadConsidering Tue 13-Aug-19 10:19:36

she faces constant harassment and abuse on social media

Like being told to die in a grease fire? Oh no wait, that was McKinnon who said that....

LangCleg Tue 13-Aug-19 10:20:13

don’t miss this opportunity to hear from an internationally renowned athlete and scholar on how she is breaking down barriers and helping to overturn prejudice with science

Never let it be said that Rachel does not know how to big up Rachelself!

Daughterofmabel Tue 13-Aug-19 10:20:44

We should all go and take with us recordings of laughter that we play incessantly!
this

chockaholic72 Tue 13-Aug-19 10:24:43

Very tempted to go to this, if I'm free. I've worked in elite sport for 20 years, ten in cycling, and it pisses me off that I've watched female riders slog their guts out every single day - possibly for nothing, if the trans movement gains traction.

And the ad is wrong - the track worlds aren't being held in Manchester in the autumn, it's the masters track worlds, which are an entirely different thing. Former pro cyclists wouldn't give masters events any kind of kudos - masters is for good amateurs, nothing more. And the way the masters events can be abused - there's a guy who is 85 who wants the governing body to put on races for the 85-90 age group. The fact that he is the only one who wants to compete, and would become world champion by default, is neither here nor there to him.

I've sat in so many track events over the years and our crowds would definitely not be happy at watching Laura Kenny or Katie Archibald getting their arses kicked by some trans athlete. The sport would absolutely leak income, and track isn't like road - there isn't a lot of money in it.

BuzzShitbagBobbly Tue 13-Aug-19 10:26:45

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MockerstheFeManist Tue 13-Aug-19 10:27:58

Tickets thirty quid a pop. All profits to orphaned baby seals, no doubt.

MangoesAreMyFavourite Tue 13-Aug-19 10:30:33

At £25 a ticket, hell no.
I'll donate to Vancouver instead (or one of the things that can't be named or shared)

BuzzShitbagBobbly Tue 13-Aug-19 10:31:50

Wouldn't it be awful if the venue got a whole load of emails/phone call/visits illustrating (with proof, of which we have much) how McKinnon has repeatedly, consistently and persistently abused, threatened and othered women as part of an ongoing campaign of hate and intimidation to claw their way to the top of the women's category when they couldn't succeed in the men's sport?

After all, what's sauce for the goose....

Matthew Phillip, Director
e : matthew@tabernacleW11.com

Daniel Perillous, General Manager
e : daniel@tabernacleW11.com

Why would the venue want to be associated with such bigotry, misogyny and hate?

70sWitch Tue 13-Aug-19 10:34:33

Well. This'll go down like a cup of cold sick hmm

FairNotFair Tue 13-Aug-19 10:35:53

Internationally renowned. Yeah right

To be fair, LittleFairywren, McKinnon IS internationally renowned.

Just not in the way that McKinnon would prefer cheating and misogyny vs sporting excellence

FairNotFair Tue 13-Aug-19 10:39:31

… but of course I'd be delighted to pay £30 to be gaslit by the ravings of somebody who's blocked me on Twitter hmm

GodDammitAmy Tue 13-Aug-19 10:40:36

Wouldn't it be awful if the venue got a whole load of emails/phone call/visits illustrating (with proof, of which we have much) how McKinnon has repeatedly, consistently and persistently abused, threatened and othered women as part of an ongoing campaign of hate and intimidation to claw their way to the top of the women's category when they couldn't succeed in the men's sport?

Let's do it.

chockaholic72 Tue 13-Aug-19 10:44:06

I wonder if she'll be competing in Manchester? The NCC is virtually empty when the Masters is on, so plenty of space to heckle. (It's that quiet that the woman who sells the event cycling jerseys does her knitting and usually finishes a whole jersey!).

NotTerfNorCis Tue 13-Aug-19 10:50:09

When feminists hold an event, they and the venue get deluged by threats and libels. They end up holding meetings at secret locations, which TRAs - the very people doing the bombarding and libelling - claim proves that feminists are evil.

TRAs hold a meeting, and feminists do nothing. No threats, no lies, no physical blockading or disruptive protests. Feminists believe in encountering ideas with ideas, not with censorship.

So, TRAs - who are the baddies here?

RoyalCorgi Tue 13-Aug-19 10:59:08

TRAs hold a meeting, and feminists do nothing. No threats, no lies, no physical blockading or disruptive protests.

We don't need to, because no one is going to pay £25 to listen to McKinnon speak.

LikeothersIamjustme Tue 13-Aug-19 10:59:59

public intellectual? Nearly spat out my tea!
Chock- if she is a trip out may be nice :-)

littlbrowndog Tue 13-Aug-19 11:06:21

Thanks chock. Good to get your professional input on this

chockaholic72 Tue 13-Aug-19 11:10:39

www.cyclingmasters.com/site/spectators/ticket-information

At £11 it's cheaper than £25 for those of us northerners, and the money will be going back into sport rather than in RMcK's pocket...

MsMcWibble Tue 13-Aug-19 11:12:12

Does anyone have the full title of Rachel's dissertation handy?

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