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If you ever wanted proof that TRA is the same MRA check this out.

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TRAMRA Mon 12-Aug-19 19:28:20

A man. A man who looks like a man, and identifies as a man,
isn't allowed in a women's changing room. How terribly transphobic and sexist. Read the comments and the way he ignores women's concerns, as even if 1 out of a 1000 men, (he kind of forgets who he is meant to be championing here) was bad you shouldn't be able to tar all of male kind with the same brush. one out of a thousand eh? hmm.

It's all so thinly disguised isn't it?

Well done to the Primark staff who decided that a man demanding he be allowed in a changing room with a young girl, is the last man who should be allowed in.*@RJameson*/a-recent-experience-has-opened-my-eyes-to-transphobic-bigotry-f5005a4e6497

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly Mon 12-Aug-19 19:35:46

what a twerp

snowbear66 Mon 12-Aug-19 20:22:48

It is a good example that the original intent of the Primark rule change is already shamelessly being tested by a man who admits that he is not trans but just inconvenienced by not being able to change his daughter.
Hasn't it occurred to him that these safeguards of sex segregation that he is trying to remove will benefit her?

MagneticSingularity Mon 12-Aug-19 20:28:51

And there it is. It was only a matter of time, I wish I’d had money on this happening. First we must allow TW in no matter how they present, now dads single and gay and otherwise and then granddads - yes there was a reply there from a granddad accompanying his granddaughter to dance class - and what if big brother is taking little sis shopping?
And since, apparently, only 1 man in a thousand is dangerous (not that he hasn’t just pulled that figure out of his arse) it’s sexist to keep the other 999 out of women’s spaces.

I wish I could say it’s unbelievable but it just all too fucking depressingly fucking believable and to fucking depressingly fucking predictable.

DeRigueurMortis Mon 12-Aug-19 20:34:54

Exactly - it's a wedge in the door provided by TRA's that enables all men who have zero regard for women's privacy and safety to stick their size 12's into and push through.

NotTerfNorCis Mon 12-Aug-19 20:56:17

I should also make it clear that at no point did I directly identify as a man. The staff felt entitled to assume my gender, simply based on the way I looked.

This is all like some fever dream of a world where clearly male people can't be assumed not to be women. It's beyond surreal.

GodDammitAmy Mon 12-Aug-19 21:02:21

It's such a tired argument isn't it? How do we know out of those 1000 men who the safe ones are?

TeamUnicorn Mon 12-Aug-19 21:12:49

He had such a good basis for his article. Shame he took it totally down the wrong road and made it all about the stunning and brave.

Prawnofthepatriarchy Mon 12-Aug-19 21:13:42

What a total dick.

Prawnofthepatriarchy Mon 12-Aug-19 21:14:27

And well done to the staff at Primark!

Trohmaniac Mon 12-Aug-19 21:19:54

He said the following when challenged on why women need separate spaces:

Some black people commit rapes, but I hope you wouldn’t say it was OK for women to treat all black people with suspicion and as likely sex attackers simply because of what some black people have done. Or do you think that would be OK?

Oh dear oh dear oh dear

GlitchStitch Mon 12-Aug-19 21:21:10

So this is where we're at now- a man can claim victim status for being refused entry to a changing room filled with girls. Shit writer too.

Earlywalker Mon 12-Aug-19 21:22:09

What is his point with all the trans stuff?

Being annoyed that the changing rooms didn’t say female only and then they excluded him? Ok, fair enough, maybe clearer signs needed in future to avoid embarrassment.

That there’s no facilities for men to go in with daughters? Again good point that there should be a separate space as this can be an issue for many dads.

But all the trans stuff he’s Jabbering on about ‘I didn’t disclose my gender’ just seems, well odd and pretty irrelevant to his complaint confused

Myfoolishboatisleaning Mon 12-Aug-19 21:23:41

Why couldn’t he take his daughter to the men’s? As he says NAMALT, so surely she would be safe in there anyway? Oh wait....

Trohmaniac Mon 12-Aug-19 21:24:42

That there’s no facilities for men to go in with daughters? Again good point that there should be a separate space as this can be an issue for many dads.

This is what it boils down to. He should be campaigning for parent & child spaces but instead he's whinging on about those pesky women and their sexism.

lilmishap Mon 12-Aug-19 21:27:39

The argument he's currently having losing has him smugly announcing if his daughter was sent to an all male prison it would no longer be an all male prison.
So there!

Loubot Mon 12-Aug-19 21:30:55

Someone pass him his "opressed" sticker and tell him to fuck off. Maybe use the sticker to hide his blatant issues with women that the "dad and daughter" situation highlights, does he think mothers have a crisis when we take our sons? This has never been an issue. You take your kid into the changing room appropriate to your sex.

ChateauMyself Mon 12-Aug-19 21:33:46

Yup, yup Troh.

Ahhhh, those well fitting door curtains...

pikapikachu Mon 12-Aug-19 21:34:56

Same author...

pikapikachu Mon 12-Aug-19 21:36:56*@RJameson*/navratilova-is-wrong-about-transgender-women-in-sport-644a5a2e7d68

And another...

lionheart Mon 12-Aug-19 21:37:00

Doesn't appear to say anything about how his daughter reacted to the whole experience ...

lilmishap Mon 12-Aug-19 21:37:06

@pikapikachu Jesus christ on a bike! That article is chilling

TeamUnicorn Mon 12-Aug-19 21:39:21

The latest article has made me feel very, very ill and makes the original article totally spine chillingly awful.

lionheart Mon 12-Aug-19 21:40:26

From Pikapikachu's link:

'Isn’t it reasonable for a male, for example, to hunt for a fertile young woman to act as an incubator and mother to his offspring — and thus enable them both to continue their genetic lines? Is he taking advantage of the natural attraction the young female feels for him? In a sense, yes, but what’s wrong with that? That’s how the species is continued. That’s how the reproductive urge works. And so long as the courtship and ensuing relationship is conducted on a voluntary basis, that’s fine, isn’t it?'

HeyDuggeesCakeBadge Mon 12-Aug-19 21:41:24

This guy is a dick. An utter arse wipingly bad dick. A racist dick. A woman hatingly sexist dick.

I have no other words.

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