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Prostasia Foundation - Child protection or dismantling Safeguarding?

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JustAnotherWoman Mon 10-Jun-19 13:39:41

Credit to Agilelass for flagging these people in the Dr Em Unicorns thread, I thought they warranted a thread of their own.

prostasia.org

They claim to be concerned about child protection but a look at what they are promoting and saying sounds to me far more like they are trying to dismantle safeguarding measures by saying they don't work.

They have/had a campaign in support of child sex dolls [anger]

Should we be worried about them? Anyone know anything more about the key players?

Goosefoot Sat 07-Dec-19 13:55:14

totally normal and fixed in someone's personality.

This is key in several ways. One is the conflation of something that occurs as a "fixed" thing, as a hardware component if you will, with it being normal, and normal with good. By this logic anything that is a "born this way" question means that thing is just a variation of human types, not an abnormality. Born with no stomach, normal!
And then, there is normal = ok, not a problem.
The next step of course is to say that the behaviour that comes out of that is also not a problem, indeed, a human right.
We really need to stop accepting this train of thought whenever we see it, even in cases where we think the behaviour is ok, that logic is not correct. If we validate the logic it can be used for all kinds of seriously negative things.
The other issue is of course that in most cases, we haven't a clear idea to what degree any sexuality is a hardware vs software question, or perhaps it can be both. Again, it's not a good idea to get into the habit of making statements that sound definitive about things we don't have clear evidence about.
It's by making statements that sound definitive that many people people get sucked into different ideologies, and it's when we have an opinion about what is likely and it seems ok to sound definitive that we make that kind of fudging seem ok to people.

SunsetBeetch Sat 07-Dec-19 13:43:10

Here they are defending child sex dolls:

"Effective 20 September, Australia has banned possession of sex dolls that resemble "a person who is, or appears to be, under 18 years of age" or even "a part of the body of such a person," with a penalty of 15 years imprisonment.

15 years. Over a sex toy.
t.co/8d00DxY7JS "

twitter.com/ProstasiaInc/status/1202755031667216384?s=19

KettlePolly Tue 03-Dec-19 08:21:46

And a reference to "munches" aka fetish get togethers... To quote Magdalen Berns "VOMITING FOREVER."

It's like the joke about vegans: "how do you know if someone is part of the kink community? - Don't worry they'll bloody tell you"

KettlePolly Tue 03-Dec-19 08:10:02

Crikey first link about age gap relationships and after some caveats about law and maturity merrily says how being attracted to particular age ranges is totally normal and fixed in someone's personality. So finding children attractive is absolutely normal then as long as you don't do anything hmm Hiding in plain sight! How abhorrent.

JudithButlerNot Tue 03-Dec-19 07:19:04

Thanks for sharing.

OhHolyJesus Mon 02-Dec-19 22:43:29

Will read in full Ova thanks for sharing that.

OvaHere Mon 02-Dec-19 22:22:02

Just bumping to add this article by Anna Slatz

www.thepostmillennial.com/the-bizarre-world-of-tax-exempt-pedophiles/

For many, charitable status is a legitimizing factor taken into consideration when choosing what organization or foundation to donate to. Government recognition that an entity’s work is valid enough to exempt them from taxes is often a good indicator of the work’s importance.

However, there are always exceptions.

This author found that three organizations had been granted full IRS tax-exempt status while encouraging, advocating for the rights of, or working to dismantle important safeguards against pedophiles and their access to children.

The California-based organization Prostasia was given IRS tax exemption in 2018. While marketing itself as a children’s rights organization, Prostasia is a veritable grab-bag of causes surrounding sex and sexuality, but many believe it represents something far more sinister.

In Prostasia’s blog entries, “child protection” routinely ends up in the same sentences as “free speech,” “kink,” or “sex positivity.” The topics of ageplay, furries, hentai, and prostitution are spoken about no differently as, and often with no barrier between, child sexuality and child sexual abuse.

Full article in link

2BthatUnnoticed Sun 21-Jul-19 05:40:26

I know - I’m honestly at a loss at “consensual kink and child protection.” WTF?

Kinksters - whatever you do with consenting adults is fine but keep your kink right away from children! They cannot and do not consent to exposure to kink of any kind.

This organisation is seriously creepy.

FormerMediocreMale Sat 20-Jul-19 23:30:21

This really is a resurrection of PIE - not good.

2BthatUnnoticed Wed 03-Jul-19 13:33:33

They want to protect children “from sexual harm.” Not from sex or kink... that might impinge on adults’ sexual freedoms, no? confused

2BthatUnnoticed Wed 03-Jul-19 13:30:15

“Consensual kink and child protection??” This is so creepy. This site is about adults and their so-called “sexual rights.”

Ineedacupofteadesperately Sun 23-Jun-19 10:28:30

Bloody hell "conducting child sexual abuse prevention in a way that is sex positive"

News flash for Jeremy: virtually all the parents in the country are against "conducting child sexual abuse prevention in a way that is sex positive". We see you.

Also, doesn't know what doxxing is.

Barracker Sat 22-Jun-19 23:58:29

Pro
Stasia: means 'resurrection' in Greek.

Name may literally mean they are pro resurrecting something.

An organisation that was sleeping?
A movement that was alive, then killed off, that they want to resurrect?

Is this PIE resurrected and rebranded?

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving Sat 22-Jun-19 22:15:57

The words "child", "sex", and "positive" need to never appear in the same sentence, ever. FUCK. OFF.

Spero Sat 22-Jun-19 21:34:14

Just found another email from Jeremy!
twitter.com/SVPhillimore/status/1142529475059572736

Its very revealing. Read the bit about 'human rights of all'.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo Sat 22-Jun-19 21:30:11

Why is this group allowed on twitter?

Spero Sat 22-Jun-19 21:02:01

They are an appalling bunch. The mask slipped pretty quickly. They insinuated themselves into a discussion I was having on Twitter about the NSPCC and invited people to switch their direct debits to them.

I had never heard of them before but after some conversation I wasn't very reassured. Another Twitter user posted a mugshot of one of their members which showed he has been arrested in 2012 for sexual contact with a child under 13.

A number of us asked the main Prostasia account what on earth was going on; we were all blocked.

Shortly after that I received an email, which I posed in full on Twitter as I saw it as a genuine attempt to blackmail me and the only way to deal with this is publicise it.

The Sunday Mirror are hopefully running a piece on the NSPCC tonight/tomorrow and I briefly ran the Prostasia stuff past the reporter who contacted me - he sounded interested and I hope will get back to me.

Again, another issue that needs a LOT more publicity.

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving Sat 22-Jun-19 20:07:13

Aaaaand now they're trying to blackmail Sarah Phillimore to stop digging into their organisation.

twitter.com/SVPhillimore/status/1142017609124208640

2BthatUnnoticed Tue 18-Jun-19 00:15:14

All good smile

youkiddingme Mon 17-Jun-19 14:55:20

Sorry that was my post that was badly worded 2Bthatunnoticed - I meant the twitter post you shared above.

2BthatUnnoticed Mon 17-Jun-19 00:09:43

Oh it wasn’t my own Twitter post, I should have clarified, I just saw it.

IPCE = PIE 2. That’s my conclusion. I wonder if any journalist is brave enough to take it on?

BertrandRussell Sun 16-Jun-19 21:47:40

Yes- she was grovellingly apologetic and deleted a tweet about women having surgery in the pursuit of beauty after being educated that it was transphobic.

nevernotstruggling Sun 16-Jun-19 19:44:19

Jameela drank the cool aid a long time ago I ditched her on sm

nevernotstruggling Sun 16-Jun-19 19:37:39

Why would you need to describe a cp .org as sex positive that's v fuct up. No one describes the nspcc as sex negative??? Wtaf???

youkiddingme Sun 16-Jun-19 19:30:54

reading the comments on your twitter post 2BthatUnnoticed led me to this. What the hell is this?

www.ipce.info/

Ipce is a forum for people who are engaged in scholarly discussion about the understanding and emancipation of mutual relationships between children or adolescents and adults.

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