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The Times: Scouts earn U-turn badge after scrapping trans policy

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TimeLady Sun 26-May-19 06:16:47

Andrew Gilligan again. Could this be the turning point?

HandsOffMyRights Sun 26-May-19 06:30:06

Thank you for sharing and thanks to Andrew again. And thanks to the Scouts.

boldlygoingsomewhere Sun 26-May-19 06:36:30

Wonder if Girl Guides will also review their policy?

emerencealwayshopeful Sun 26-May-19 06:49:27

Girl guides is likely too deep down the rabbit hole. Though one can always hope.

Hooray for a positive change. If scouts can do it maybe some schools can too. And then more.

donquixotedelamancha Sun 26-May-19 07:10:17

Great to hear what sounds like sensible, moderate change.

Anyone know the details of the changes?

CigarsofthePharoahs Sun 26-May-19 07:27:27

Someone in the scouts has actually listened then. And not only that, but thought it through.
Bout time.

EweSurname Sun 26-May-19 07:40:53

Amazing news!

Adding sex to the list of protected characteristics, removing most references to Mermaids and most importantly, dropping confidential disclosures and reverting back to information sharing, is just fantastic news to wake up to!

LizzieSiddal Sun 26-May-19 07:55:01

That’s amazing news.

Let’s hope other organisations follow suit.

AnyOldPrion Sun 26-May-19 08:03:42

Girl guides is likely too deep down the rabbit hole.

Guiding was always going to be under more political pressure, very much like any other organisation or service that’s for females only.

But I love the way that article is written. The Overton window is moving back, and the paper is reporting this as if the original changes were some aberration, which anyone can see, with hindsight, were deeply flawed.

Gingernaut Sun 26-May-19 08:13:45

Guiding is mainly women and girls.


HermioneWeasley Sun 26-May-19 08:16:18

Good news, but I don’t think they should be mocked for seeing sense - don’t want any other organisations to be put off by having it described as “earning a U turn badge”

<looks very hard at girl guides>

MrsJamin Sun 26-May-19 08:18:08

This is good news 🎉

HigaDequasLuoff Sun 26-May-19 08:19:29

Excellent article and excellent news

RubberTreePlant Sun 26-May-19 08:22:22

It's something, but male spaces have never really been the issue.

WeWantJustice Sun 26-May-19 08:24:26

It's excellent news.

Although of course men and boys are going to have more power to defend their own spaces than are women and girls, this is still a massive signal to other organisations that maybe they might need to look again at what they're doing.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Sun 26-May-19 08:26:02

What and where have they actually changed?,378&moduleID=10

Links to Mermaids, says that trans children must be allowed to use the toilets and facilities of the gender they identify with...

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Sun 26-May-19 08:26:34,378&moduleID=10

TimeLady Sun 26-May-19 08:33:40

Good point ItsAllGoingToBeFine

The message doesn't seem to have been passed on to the web team. We should keep an eye on that.

Destinysdaughter Sun 26-May-19 08:54:17

That is such brilliant news! And great comments under the article too.

MindTheMinotaur Sun 26-May-19 09:04:55

Anyoldprion yes good points, what a depressing pattern.

Well done Scouts though and thanks to Andrew Gilligan for reporting.

JackyHolyoake Sun 26-May-19 09:10:44

Yes, this is very good news indeed.

Andrew Gilligan, thank you!

SonicVersusGynaephobia Sun 26-May-19 09:16:18


Great news.

JustAnotherWoman Sun 26-May-19 09:37:10

That's good news, sadly I don't think girl guides will change their policy until there's a scandal but now they won't be able to say everyone had the same policy as an excuse

teawamutu Sun 26-May-19 10:24:34

Great point, Prion - the 'backing away from batshittery' tone is most useful.

Satterthwaite Sun 26-May-19 10:34:47

I really like 1984 person in the comments, obviously one of us grin

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