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Article in Dundee Courier about assault of 10 year old girl in supermarket toilets

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howonearthdidwegethere Sat 02-Feb-19 10:25:56

The original article was very odd in that it completely avoiding naming the sex of the perpetrator. Well, guess what?

Never happens, of course.

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/819644/mum-of-supermarket-toilet-sex-assault-victim-warns-freed-attacker-could-strike-again/?fbclid=IwAR1BjeZ0GLBEa4iRDzUXAABAzAkHHl3HBdfac2NqBfN-JyKO6GYyw1l1FcY

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QuietContraryMary Sat 02-Feb-19 11:40:22

And they say gender identity disorder is a paraphalia and that it's comorbid with other paraphalia? Can't be true.

Sightreading Sat 02-Feb-19 11:40:25

Sorry bit of a bollox of a sentence at the beginning. Meant to read 'How are their carers and social workers supposed to react when they start to identify as a woman (or man)?'

R0wantrees Sat 02-Feb-19 11:57:42

It is significant that the perpetrator had been supported by both social care and mental health services.

The perpetrator was under 18 at the time he assaulted the two young girls so could not have had a GRC.

Were the supportive services required to affirm his gender identity due to the policies influenced by transrights activists lobbying of Social Care and Mental Health (Memorandum of Understanding) ?

In the origninal article, it described how he was with a support worker at the supermarket. Had they been required to support his 'right' to use the women's toilets?

"Defence solicitor Andrew Grieve said his client had been in the social care system from the age of three and had been actively engaging with mental health services"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3448221-Recommendation-that-Butterfly-used-as-training-material-for-social-workers

thread with the toolkit and resources produced for professionals working with young people in the care system questioning their gender identity & specifically for the children & young people produced by Three Circles Fostering:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324578-Vunerabilities-of-Looked-After-Children-Social-Work-CP-restricted-by-affirmation-requirement-Trans-Youth-in-Care-Toolkit

Tara Hewitt (co founder of TELI) & Three Circles Fostering were key to producing the resources linked above. In September 2018 they promoted the toolkit and its guidance to a social care conference in Scotland.

"Excited to be going on road trip to Scotland tomorrow with ThreeCirclesLAC colleagues before we deliver a key note on trans young people in care at national adoption & fostering conference. Long journey but important cause. TRANS & NON BINARY CHILDREN & YOUNG PEOPLE MATTER"

twitter.com/Tara_Hewitt/status/1045044909118509056

Tara Hewitt cofounded TELI with Michelle Hudson and Jess Bradley

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385533-Prominant-campaigning-role-of-Tara-Hewitt-NHS-TELI-Social-work-universities-etc

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374926-What-influence-does-TELI-have-on-government-public-services-and-charities-policies-Co-founders-include-Jess-Bradley-Tara-Hewitt-and-Michelle-Hudson

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325882-WEP-conference-questions-for-panel-of-trans-rights-advocating-barristers

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325623-Jess-Bradley-a-government-advisor-on-womens-rights-suspended-by-NUS-over-indecent-blog-Part-iii

Popchyk Sat 02-Feb-19 12:24:12

"In the origninal article, it described how he was with a support worker at the supermarket. Had they been required to support his 'right' to use the women's toilets?"

From the original article:

"Depute fiscal Sarah Lumsden told the court the accused had been to the toilets with a carer and was walking towards the exit when the young child walked past.

Miss Lumsden said: “The accused (said their) mobile phone was still in the toilets and returned to them, alone".

So he managed to offend while being under direct supervision. He saw the young girl and made up an excuse on the spot to evade his carer and be alone with the young girl in order to offend.

And after he was arrested and charged for that offence, he was then found alone a month later in the women's toilets where he had sexually assaulted a 10 year old girl. No carer in sight.

BettyDuMonde Sat 02-Feb-19 12:28:13

That girl and her mother are brave as fuck.

It’s an insult to both of them to gaslight them by declaring this dangerous paedophile to be a woman. Well done to the mother for refusing to kowtow to the bullshit. He/Him indeed.

R0wantrees Sat 02-Feb-19 12:34:14

Dolatowski admitted sexually assaulting the girl and following another girl into the toilets at Asda Halbeath, Dunfermline, on February 8, and trying to film her urinating by holding her mobile phone over the cubicle partition.

Banning her from having contact with children, Sheriff James Williamson gave her what he described as a “stringent” community-based sentence, allowing her to be released from Polmont Young Offenders Institution to supported accommodation.

Dolatowski was considered to pose a “moderate risk” of reoffending but Sheriff Williamson said: “I have come to the conclusion that the public will be better protected by the imposition of a stringent community payback order.”

I wonder if the assessments were able to consider whether this male presents a risk to females?

Dolatowski is a Vulnerable Adult and so will likely be in receipt of supportive services and housing etc alongside other Vulnerable Adults which may include over 18yr old females.

Dolatowski's gender identity may continue to prevent effective risk management.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale Sat 02-Feb-19 12:35:07

But this never happens!

The girl and her family must be transphobes.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

R0wantrees Sat 02-Feb-19 12:36:32

So he managed to offend while being under direct supervision. He saw the young girl and made up an excuse on the spot to evade his carer and be alone with the young girl in order to offend.

And after he was arrested and charged for that offence, he was then found alone a month later in the women's toilets where he had sexually assaulted a 10 year old girl. No carer in sight.

Care work isn't neccessarily constant supervision. It often involves supporting young people to do shopping budgetting etc.

Popchyk Sat 02-Feb-19 12:45:17

He offended when he was accompanied by a carer. And he offended a month later when he was alone. Seems like very high risk to me.

But yes no doubt social services have been affirming his right to use the women's toilets. Which led to these assaults on young girls.

R0wantrees Sat 02-Feb-19 12:47:16

Moderate risk of reoffending?

Its a specific risk banding which informs the management of sex offenders:
(extract)
"Risk assessment and management

Over the last 20 years, police have used a risk assessment tool for registered sex offenders that categorised them based their offending history into very high, high, medium or low risk. Risk Matrix 2000 is a static risk assessment based on historical factors shown to be statistically predictive of future sexual offending.

The Active Risk Management System was introduced into policing in 2014. It enables police to look beyond historical factors to dynamic risk factors that are subject to change.

Police risk assessment now involves consideration of risk factors such as opportunity to offend, sexual interests, emotional instability, anti-social influences and negative attitudes towards others or towards rules. As well as protective factors that reduce the risk of offending such as employment, an intimate relationship, a feeling of citizenship, a positive social network and a commitment not to reoffend.

A risk management plan could include action to build in protective factors like helping people into work, developing positive community links or therapy to change behaviour and prevent reoffending. It could also include action to reduce risk factors such as use of orders which might ban unsupervised access to children, place restrictions on internet use or visiting certain places or people." (continues)

news.npcc.police.uk/releases/new-tailored-approach-to-managing-registered-sex-offenders-introduced

Popchyk Sat 02-Feb-19 12:53:34

Thanks for the info, R0wan.

Makes my blood boil that the transgender cult is specifically targeting looked after children.

R0wantrees Sat 02-Feb-19 12:53:53

But yes no doubt social services have been affirming his right to use the women's toilets. Which led to these assaults on young girls.

Just as all public services have been required to by trans rights activism which prioritises the rights of 'gender identity' over Safeguarding frameworks.

Its a systemic failure which puts girls and vulnerable women at risk from male-pattern abuse and violence.

R0wantrees Sat 02-Feb-19 12:56:33

Makes my blood boil that the transgender cult is specifically targeting looked after children

Looked After Children are especially vulnerable, they are more isolated and may have additional higher incident of risk factors including sexual abuse etc.

GrinitchSpinach Sat 02-Feb-19 13:00:12

Are the papers not allowed to publish a photo of this perpetrator? Every parent in the area should know 'Katie's' name and appearance so they can grab their kids and run the other way if they see 'Katie' in their spaces.

Bowlofbabelfish Sat 02-Feb-19 13:28:15

No risk of reoffending? Despite the clear escalation from filming to contact? Despite the planning aspect of evading a carer?

The victim is a brave girl. The truly awful thing is that she is not safe in toilets any more because there’s no guarantee of this never happening again. And she is highly likely to encounter another Male in there. So even if that male is not intending on harm, harm will be done because it will bring it all back to her.

Brave kid. I’m not surprised the family are furious.

Oxytocindeficient Sat 02-Feb-19 13:31:39

This is insane. Clearly a high risk person that needs to be admitted for extensive therapy and to remove them from society. The girl was very brave. I’m incredibly confused as to why the media or police would be describing them as female given they can’t possibly have a GRC. Will this crime be recorded as having been committed by a female?

R0wantrees Sat 02-Feb-19 13:44:52

No risk of reoffending? Despite the clear escalation from filming to contact? Despite the planning aspect of evading a carer?

The designation of 'Moderate Risk' recognises an individual does present risk of reoffending and determines which measures should be in place.
It is also dynamic so should involve re-assessment and can change.

Sexual Harm Prevention Orders account for the majority of restrictive orders and are intended to protect the public from offenders convicted of a sexual or violent offence who pose a risk of sexual harm to the public by placing restrictions on their behaviour. For example, a SHPO could be used to prohibit an offender from being alone with children under 16. The offender is automatically made subject to sexual offender registration and, if the order is breached, may be liable to a maximum of 5 years imprisonment. The SHPO is specific to the offender and is tailored to manage specific risks.

The term 'carer' is broad, so given his age may have been someone enabling independent life skills etc rather than supervision.
(The nature of his support needs at the time of the assaults are unknown)

QuietContraryMary Sat 02-Feb-19 13:45:17

It does seem that the likes of Tara Hewitt who literally is paid by the NHS to promote bondage to Macmillan Cancer patients are influencing the affirmation of insane paedophiles that their delusions are reality

R0wantrees Sat 02-Feb-19 13:54:55

Tara Hewitt has demonstrated that she does not understand Safeguarding frameworks or principles. Children and vulnerable adults welfare is compromised by the policies she and other TRAs have influenced.

James Kirkup Spectator lead article 'Trans rights have gone wrong
The new gender orthodoxy allows no room for dissent':
(extract)
"What explains the disproportionate number of girls (child ‘assigned female at birth’, to use the approved term) who are starting a journey that can lead to hormone treatment, then binding and ultimately removing their breasts? Is it possible that this is simply part of a wider crisis of mental health among girls?

I don’t know, and neither do the doctors and scientists who study this issue. If you talk to the clinicians at the Tavistock Clinic in London, the NHS centre for the treatment of gender-variant children, they’ll tell you that all the factors I mentioned may be at work, but the evidence base is still incomplete, that they need more time and data before offering explanations. (They’ll also tell you that quite a lot of the children referred to them as ‘transgender’ will in time ‘desist’ and decide to live in their original gender.)

The government now intends to commission research into all this. You might think that sounds sensible and mundane. You would be wrong.

According to Tara Hewitt, founder of the Trans Equality Legal Initiative (TELI), prominent campaigner for transgender rights and an adviser to numerous public bodies including the NHS, the proposed research is ‘absurd and offensive’. The project should be ‘dropped in the bin — it’s simply not an inquiry that needs to happen,’ Hewitt reckons.

This is the quintessential trans-rights response to scrutiny: even looking for facts about children’s welfare is transphobic. Just accept that trans girls are girls and trans women are women. End of debate." (continues)
www.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/trans-rights-have-gone-wrong/

Macaroonmayhem Sat 02-Feb-19 14:01:50

One of these is my local supermarket @Grinitch. With a 10yo girl of my own, I’d certainly like to know what they look like.

RepealTheGRA Sat 02-Feb-19 14:26:16

How absolutely fucking horrific!

People need to be held to account here, who has enabled Tara’s malevolent influence on LAC children.

The Mum and 10 year old in the article are awesome but they have been badly let down by the authorities. angry

GalacticChickenShit Sat 02-Feb-19 14:39:04

And those two poor young girls now know that because of the utter bonkers and dangerous decision to allow self ID, they will always run the risk of bumping into males in public bathroom facilities again, any and every time they use them.
Why don't our girls and women deserve safeguarding?

Can anyone explain why the original article was about a male teenager, he/him etc, yet the recent one is very much she/her pronouns?

R0wantrees Sat 02-Feb-19 14:52:41

Can anyone explain why the original article was about a male teenager, he/him etc, yet the recent one is very much she/her pronouns?

The original article used gender neutral descriptors eg the teenager and only included he/him when reporting diect speech of witnesses.

It may be relevent that Dolatowski is now 18 years old?

GalacticChickenShit Sat 02-Feb-19 14:57:50

Ah yes, you're right. It was the line about "a male voice" which confused me, but I guess a voice can be male, regardless of the sex of its owner wink

Probably an age thing, yeah.

R0wantrees Sat 02-Feb-19 15:09:56

Ah yes, you're right. It was the line about "a male voice" which confused me, but I guess a voice can be male, regardless of the sex of its owner

YY, its also the directly reported witness description.

The restrictions on media reporting have considerable implications.

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