Politician Morgane Oger leans on Vancouver police to look into alleged crimes by Meghan Murphy et al

[GrinitchSpinach]

Oger believes it both a human rights violation and a literal crime to disagree publicly with the "trans women are women" mantra.

Oger is seeking a meeting with Vancouver police to outline Oger's view that feminists gathering to discuss a range of issues facing women (and streaming it on the internet) is tantamount to cyberbullying driving people to suicide.

[ILuvBirdsEye]

Claims were made that TW are not W
It's the other way round. Claims have been made that TWAW... without evidence or logic of any kind.

[GrinitchSpinach]

ILuvBirdsEye you murderer! Quick, someone call WYP!

[Rufusthebewilderedreindeer]

Im on it grinitch

[Rufusthebewilderedreindeer]

Cept im not

I dont know how these people are getting away with using the police like this

[Ereshkigal]

It's the other way round. Claims have been made that TWAW... without evidence or logic of any kind.

It's a typical DARVO reversal. It's worth paying attention to the singular way in which TRAs phrase these things and how they will do it even if it sounds completely absurd and doesn't even make sense.

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

I dont know how these people are getting away with using the police like this

Because they are untouchable, like a certain German political party in the 1930's.

[nauticant]

I dont know how these people are getting away with using the police like this

We must be imagining it. These are the Most Oppressed People in the World™ and have no voice and certainly no power.

Again, anyone interested in this might want to do a bit of googling on Morgane Oger.

[Rufusthebewilderedreindeer]

And they are doing it here with posie

What the fuck must the complaint look like

'A feminist said that women dont have a penis'

Youd be laughed out of the station

[GrinitchSpinach]

Youd be laughed out of the station

You would have been, five years ago. But now, as nauticant points out, the Most Oppressed People in the World™ live out their daily struggle through breathtakingly disproportionate access and influence to government, police and media.

[AnyOldPrion]

It will be terrifying if this action was successful, though I hope that if Canada start punishing women for stating biological facts, that it will wake up the rest of the Western world as to what is happening. We’ve been told over and over that self-ID has been introduced with no problems, but when freedom of speech is policed this way, it starts to look more and more like fascism.

[Rufusthebewilderedreindeer]

grinitch

I just came back from doing the childrens tea and reread my post

Then i thought....dont be a twat all your life rufus, of course you wouldnt be laughed out!!

[ElonMask]

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." Except in this case it seems...

[Bezalelle]

The police have never needed an excuse to behave like actual brutes, but here they have yet another one.

[QuietContraryMary]

Oger complains Meghan Murphy but isn't concerned about Mr. Yaniv. Such a surprise.

[Bowlofbabelfish]

Truth is a defence...

Although if Canada defines woman as ‘anyone who says they are’ and oger uses the BC human rights panel things (which are a mess) then Oger may win.

Meghan Murphy is a brave woman. As in a brave adult human female.

Oger, for those who don’t know, is the one who almost bankrupted Vancouver rape relief. Shares a mailing address with A certain Canadian person who enjoys thoughts of women’s toilets, tampons and ten year old girls. I do wonder what the link between them is, if any?

Kiwifarms thread on Oger is an eye opener for sure.

[Datun]

At some point, for fucks sake, we have to have a definition of whatever these people mean by the word woman.

[GrinitchSpinach]

Oger has a current complaint in the Human Rights Tribunal against right-wing Christian activist Bill Whatcott:

Whatcott had walked out of the tribunal hearing, where a panel will determine whether his distribution of flyers during Oger’s 2017 run for MLA was in violation of her human rights.

According to court documents, the flyers contained statements that described Oger as a “biological male who has renamed himself … after he embraced a transvestite lifestyle.”

Oger, now the vice-president of the BC NDP, submitted a complaint against Whatcott under Section 7 of the B.C. Human Rights Code, which bans the publication of discriminatory statements that could expose protected persons to hatred.

Whatcott does not contest that he distributed the flyers and said in an interview that any costs incurred from the hearing would be “worth it.”

“It’s about free speech, freedom of conscience and freedom to say what is true,” he told StarMetro.

www.thestar.com/vancouver/2018/12/13/religious-activist-asserts-his-right-to-distribute-flyers-challenging-trans-identity.html

Arguments were heard in December but the Tribunal hasn't ruled yet.

[AspieAndProud]

Misgendering is ‘stochastic terrorism’.

[Illyria47]

Canada is the canary in the coal mine.

[Bowlofbabelfish]

Does Oger understand what ‘stochastic’ actually means?

Because it doesnt mean what oger thinks it means...

It means something randomly determined. So something you can analyse statistically but not predict. Brownian motion is a good example.

Can someone explain how ‘you were once mean to transpeople so if a transperson is harmed its your fault’ is stochastic? What am I missing?

[Bowlofbabelfish]

I’m afraid the canary has rung down the curtain and joined the choir invisible at this point...

... stochastic terrorism. What utter bollocks

[nauticant]

... and guess who's a fan of the term?

[Slothslothsloth]

It’s a crime to say trans women are not women

But no-one knows what trans women are, or what women are

What could possibly go wrong

[Slothslothsloth]

If I were Meghan Murphy I think I would actively try to move away from Canada. It must be hell being one of the tiny minority of clear-eyed people in a place like that. They are going to start imprisoning feminists with the next few years. I’m sure of it.

[Ereshkigal]

I'll chalk it up in my big book of nonsensical pseudy hyperbole with "epistemic violence" which is disagreeing with trans people or in the case of Lindsay Shepherd in Canada (spot the connection?) failing to present in a suitably critical way a person who disagrees with trans people.