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Drag queens pose in bond age gear for calendar in aid of Mermaids

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JoanSummers Mon 14-Jan-19 01:13:20

I'm not sure if this has been posted?

"A local drag community in Newcastle have come together in style to create a one-of-a-kind 2019 calendar, with all proceeds going to charity to support transgender children and young people across the UK."

The February and March photos are attached.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6577301/Drag-queens-pose-glamorous-calendar.html

JoanSummers Mon 14-Jan-19 01:14:51

Hopefully working link:

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6577301/Drag-queens-pose-glamorous-calendar.html

My autocorrect made bondage into two words, sorry.

WombOfOnesOwn Mon 14-Jan-19 01:18:49

No, nothing sexualized about drag performance! Seems like a perfectly legitimate art form for a young boy to become involved in.

Imagine ANY other children's charity running this kind of calendar. Mermaids will whine that the outcry is transphobia. That's a lie. No children's charity could ever get away with doing this without criticism, and no children's charity would ever do something like this, except for Mermaids.

There'll come a time when this is all looked back on with disbelief, and this calendar will be one of those places where people say "how didn't every good, well-intentioned person not understand how wrong this was all going when they saw this?"

It's a good question.

JoanSummers Mon 14-Jan-19 01:26:15

Mermaids didn't make the calendar, they're just the only financial beneficiaries from it.

How they continue to escape scrutiny as a charity is incredible.

Notmyrealname85 Mon 14-Jan-19 01:36:21

I love drag but just... no.. they need to stop whatever the hell this is. Don’t want to see it

Ringdonna Mon 14-Jan-19 06:27:33

Can’t see anything wrong with it to be honest.

MrsJamin Mon 14-Jan-19 06:36:00

Can’t see anything wrong with it to be honest
A picture depicting BDSM to raise money for a children's charity? Are you kidding? It's disgusting. I hate drag.

timetostepup Mon 14-Jan-19 06:39:28

Can’t see anything wrong with it to be honest.

Would you be happy to see a local strip club put out a calendar of the strippers in provocative poses to support a children's charity that goes into schools and encourages staff to ignore safeguarding and encouraged kids to take drugs that sterilise themselves to achieve the aesthetic they want?

theresaspiderinthesink Mon 14-Jan-19 07:25:48

How extremely appropriate.

Pandamodium Mon 14-Jan-19 07:40:11

This is my area(ish) drag shows seem to be extremely popular according to my FB. It's not appropriate for a children's charity in any way.

BiologyMatters Mon 14-Jan-19 07:43:33

Why the fuck would you want those grubby pictures on your wall for a whole year? What happened to the days when people kept their fetishes in their own bedrooms?

Beachcomber Mon 14-Jan-19 07:46:00

OMFG

TimeLady Mon 14-Jan-19 07:52:25

Oh, the DM is taking the passive aggressive tack, surely, by referring to it as a "VERY glamorous calendar"?

Highlighting that association is not going to do Mermaids any favours with the general public.

TimeLady Mon 14-Jan-19 07:54:29

Just noted the "We are no longer accepting comments on this article".

Can't imagine why grin

Terfing Mon 14-Jan-19 08:03:48

The calendar is fine.

The charity is not.

Plus, isn't it a bit late to be releasing a calendar for 2019?

Badstyley Mon 14-Jan-19 08:46:25

Drag is becoming awfully popular nowadays. How long before we had our own 10 yo drag queens posing with naked men and dancing for fivers being thrown at them in a grubby club full of perverts?

It’s like a collective madness has taken hold. Wtf is wrong with people?

deepwatersolo Mon 14-Jan-19 09:00:30

Not very wise to link a highly sexualized calendar of cross dressers, including BDSM motives, to a charity that in essence encourages kids to 'cross dress' insisting there is nothing sexual about it.

To be clear, I'm fully on board with kids wearing whatever they want - as long as it is not sexualized, so any such calendar should steer clear of sexualizing gender-nonconformity. If the calendar was along the aesthetics of gender nonconforming rather non-sexualized glam drag (like Conchita Wurst, or so), that would be ok, imo.

frogintheTyne Mon 14-Jan-19 09:18:09

Mermaids logo is on the calendar. They must have given permission for it to be used.

JoanSummers Mon 14-Jan-19 09:27:19

You're right, the Mermaids logo is on the calendar. I wonder if they provided any funding or other support in the making of it? Or if they promoted it in any way?

JoanSummers Mon 14-Jan-19 09:37:29

Mermaids have promoted the calendar on Twitter.

picklemepopcorn Mon 14-Jan-19 09:37:45

Slightly off topic, but the person at the back of the second photo looks like the Little Britain 'Only gay in the village' Character. Do they know, do you think?

GCSocScientist Mon 14-Jan-19 09:54:47

The calendar is not fine, the calendar is obviously pornographic.
Porn should not be used to fund a children's charity.

There are several images which reference violent sexual acts, the legitimization of violent kink by mainstream culture was what got Natalie Connolly's rapist and torturer away with murder (cause it was normal sexual play gone wrong).

Please wake up to the normalization of the sexual abuse of others in mainstream culture, this does not serve women or children well.

Katvonbatshitmermaid Mon 14-Jan-19 09:55:04

Oh Lord.
Nice calendar
Stupid charity to link it too

They really haven't got the sense they were born with eh?

anomoony Mon 14-Jan-19 10:01:29

Lol. Here, parents, here are some queer role models for your "trans" child!

Datun Mon 14-Jan-19 10:01:54

Mermaids logo is on the calendar. They must have given permission for it to be used.

Dear God. I hadn't realised. I thought they would wriggle out of the link to them.

They're either naive, or highly dodgy.

That calendar is absolutely not appropriate to be linked to a charity that supports confused children.

Susie Green laughing at her child's genitalia and being utterly convinced in her TEDTalk that gender stereotypes are ingrained from birth and must be followed or something is wrong with the child. It doesn't indicate, to me, that she is the brightest, most perceptive tool in the box.

There is something wrong with her boundaries if she thinks this calendar is appropriate.

sackrifice Mon 14-Jan-19 10:05:21

This is Mermaids, the ones that tempt kids to their stands with puppies and sweets yes?

No, nothing to see here.

MyBeloved Mon 14-Jan-19 10:10:49

Wtaf?!?

This is so wrong! shock

Beerflavourednipples Mon 14-Jan-19 10:13:59

Can’t see anything wrong with it to be honest.

Can you name another arena in which images like this would be used to raise money for a children's charity, and people would say 'can't see anything wrong with it to be honest'?

Imnobody4 Mon 14-Jan-19 10:24:16

Susie Green is nuts. This is doubling down - if you remove one boundary they all have to go- falling like skittles. Where's the Charity Commission, the Children's Commissioner, the Children's Minister - why are they not challenging the Equalities Dept. The Mermaids logo on this must mean the beginning of the end at least.

BlackeyedGruesome Mon 14-Jan-19 10:26:46

This is really, really, really not in any way appropriate for a children's charity to be associated with. What are they thinking? It seriously raises questions on their ability to safeguard children.

sackrifice Mon 14-Jan-19 10:31:48

It seriously raises questions on their ability to safeguard children.

The assumption here is that there is any safeguarding of any children going on whatsoever, or any plans to do so.

Popchyk Mon 14-Jan-19 10:56:05

The fact that Mermaids is enthusiastically retweeting the Daily Mail article, completely unaware that the article is actually a Mermaids hatchet piece, tells you all that you need to know about them.

The whole point of the piece is to associate Mermaids, a children's charity, with BDSM in the minds of readers.

Ordinary people reading that will be appalled, and those that are into BDSM now know that Mermaids is welcoming and inclusive place.

I suspect that Mermaids will be crowing next week about how many men have applied to volunteer with them.

I mean, just how dim can you actually be?

Datun Mon 14-Jan-19 11:22:29

I mean, just how dim can you actually be?

The arts it would appear to be catastrophically dim.

"The pair said they chose the charity because Mermaids supports a cause close to the hearts of so many people on the scene."

Datun Mon 14-Jan-19 11:22:52

not arts! Answer.

Popchyk Mon 14-Jan-19 11:48:10

I can just imagine them at Mermaids HQ.

"Oh look, Susie. The Daily Mail who have been slagging us off for years have written a really nice article about how images of BDSM will be used to fundraise for us. Isn't it just great to get such positive publicity from mainstream media at last? The article mentions Mermaids over and over again, which is like sooooo amazing. Stick it on Twitter, quick".

Thick as two planks.

FloralBunting Mon 14-Jan-19 11:52:54

Not a clue. Literally no comprehension at all. My flab is gasted at the level of total, profound ignorance of those involved with Mermaids that think this is in any way a positive story.

JoanSummers Mon 14-Jan-19 11:56:29

Do Mermaids keep a mailing list or anything? I'd be interested to know if they promoted this out privately also, to the children and parents using their "services".

Datun Mon 14-Jan-19 11:59:46

If their logo is on it, they would have been involved in every step of the way.

This is difficult to believe. What is wrong with them?

Popchyk Mon 14-Jan-19 12:05:21

"Susie, there's an email here from a guy who calls himself FreeWillyFetlife. Says he's always wanted to volunteer with kids and suddenly has some free time available. Shall I put him on the breast binding helpline? Brilliant to get so many volunteers, isn't it? That Daily Mail article has inspired so many new faces to get involved".

Datun Mon 14-Jan-19 12:11:15

However thinks that raising money for a children's charity by selling sexualised images of adults involving BDSM has lost the plot.

OrchidInTheSun Mon 14-Jan-19 12:20:10

Isn't it about time the NHS took a bit of responsibility for the charities and organisations they're referring children and young people to? They link to TranzWiki which provides links to Action for Trans Health (set up by Jess Bradley) as well as some other frankly questionable organisations. The U.K. charity sector really needs to get its house in order

MrsJamin Mon 14-Jan-19 12:29:38

... Especially after the Kids Company fiasco.

JoanSummers Mon 14-Jan-19 12:43:21

I noticed a few men on twitter (Stuart Lachlan, Skylar Baker-Jordan, Jonathan Kay) arguing there is nothing wrong with drag or the calendar and it's association with Mermaids. They insinuate that criticism of these things by gender critical women is based in homophobia, and handwave away the concerns about the connections to a children's charity by saying the calendar is aimed at adults.

1) there is a loooong history of feminists pointing out the gross misogyny of drag queens parodies of women.

2) there are several current news stories about pre-teen "drag kids" - dancing provocatively for a male audience, posing with naked drag queens, sitting dead eyed for interviews alongside murderer club kids in front of rohypnol posters - that show that young children are being actively recruited and encouraged into a clearly sexualised drag scene.

3) Mermaids are allegedly a children's charity and are followed and influential with children, parents, schools, girl guides and other children's orgs, have the ear of government on children's and sex and gender issues.. they are actively promoting this calendar - do these dudes really think that Mermaids is promoting this calendar solely to an adult audience? Do they think Mermaids care if kids also see them promoting this calendar and these sorts of images, and "role models" with totally non sexualised names such as "Miss Dixie Swallows"? We know that Mermaids reps have made homophobic and sexist statements on multiple occasions (their entire existence is based on both ffs), that they promote and see no issues with their brand being associated with this over sexualised offensive woman-parodying imagery is a further sign they have no real understanding of political analysis of gender, of feminism, or of safeguarding.

4) inevitably in comments on these posts someone is calling "gc" a "white womens movement". But these dudes making these arguments attacking feminists for having these criticisms all appear to be white. So do nearly all of the drag queens in the calendar (who have whitened their faces to an extreme level with face paint) and the two people who made it. So are all the "drag kids" I've seen yet. So are the Mermaids leadership, and while we are pointing out the whiteness here, so too are nearly all of the influential trans activists in the UK. And the one TRA here I can think of offhand who is not white is incredibly class privileged (Munroe). Wtf is it with accusing women critical of TRAs and drag of being part of a "white movement" when these arguments are always so completely dominated by the opinions of white males?

It seems to me that the guys having this particular twitter conversation are being completely reactionary, on the basis that gay men have a friendly relationship with men in drag. Have they ever listened at all to the lesbians who have criticisms of drag? They centre the discussion of men parodying women in an overly sexualised way and the inclusion of children in that around men and their own allegiances, and dont allow even a microbe of space for women to have our own ideas about it withoit categorising us as bigots. Total dickery.

Ineedacupofteadesperately Mon 14-Jan-19 12:45:41

My eyes. God. Not ok in any way. Makes me want to vomit quite frankly.

I also think most people have a different definition of "glamorous".

FlyingOink Mon 14-Jan-19 12:51:52

Section 28 was passed because of books like "Jenny Lives with Eric and Martin". wiki
I never realised, until now, that there was only a single copy of that book bought, and it was for discussion with parents etc. (As per the wiki) The impact of reporting on it has obviously changed my perception of it.
So "inappropriate" books are linked with Section 28 in people's minds as justification for a discriminatory and far reaching law, badly written and passed in haste (like too many laws).
In this instance, however, we have a clearly inappropriate calendar (I don't think it's pornographic, but it's suggestive enough to be completely inappropriate, plus some of the drag queens are made up to look quite frightening) and Green thinks this is brilliant?
The backlash will be wider than we realise. This kind of thing will be remembered and misremembered, like the book I mentioned earlier. The "gay community" should be smarter than to link itself, however tenuously, to a controversial children's charity with a very odd spokeswoman.
Green laughed at her son's genitalia on TV, because it had obviously atrophied due to the hormone intake (that she arranged from the US initially, IIRC). How ironic that he never got the chance to be a gay man or a drag queen - because his puberty was stifled and his genitals surgically altered.
The "gay men shouldn't be left around children" trope is still alive and kicking, both the calendar participants and Green are daft if they think we're post-homophobia now.
Desmond is Amazing friends with convicted killer, not odd at all honest I'll just leave this here! Drag is not suitable for children, however fun it might be.
Children don't need to know about any sexual, raunchy, suggestive, adult entertainment. It robs them of their freedom to be children.

JoanSummers Mon 14-Jan-19 12:55:16

Also the photos themselves are crap. I'm surprised any of the drag queens want to associate themselves with it, it's pretty far from glamorous and makes them and their "scene" look cheap, ugly, and sad.

franke Mon 14-Jan-19 12:57:18

"Thick as two planks."

Possibly. Or supremely confident that they are completely untouchable. I fear the latter.

When is the Lottery Funds likely to complete their review of the grant to this charity? The whole thing stinks.

Datun Mon 14-Jan-19 13:00:35

handwave away the concerns about the connections to a children's charity by saying the calendar is aimed at adults.

Eh? Why the fuck is a children's charity promoting a sexually charged calendar aimed at adults?

Should the NSPCC promote Sylvia Payne's autobiography?

Datun Mon 14-Jan-19 13:01:29

This ties in with, was it Kathleen stock? Who said none of these people are experts in the field they profess to be involved in.

Susie Green is an IT consultant.

FlyingOink Mon 14-Jan-19 13:04:53

JoanSummers the vast majority of UK movements could be described as white, 80% of the UK is white, and geographically speaking most non-white people live in major cities. So there are swathes of the UK that are very white indeed. It's a weird thing to throw at anyone, perhaps it's a US thing (61% white non-"latino", non- "white Hispanic", 77% if those groups are included, some self-include and some self-excluded as white - basically it's a lower percentage than here). I can't see being white as much of a criticism; I very much doubt this calendar will have much support from the African, Caribbean or Asian communities as they all tend to be more socially conservative than the rest of the population.
Personally I think they are trying to paint GC lesbians (in particular) as "humourless dykes". It's an old trope, gay men are fabulous and fun, lesbians are grumpy and boring, and oppose lots of fun things for boring, grown-up, man-hating reasons. It's the easiest, laziest and most tenacious mud to sling at us, and it happens all the time.

GerryblewuptheER Mon 14-Jan-19 13:07:16

Believe it or not I think this is a good thing.

I think this could well be the point where people stop going " how wonderful" and start going wtf.

It's really showing the deviant thoughts behind it all.

FlyingOink Mon 14-Jan-19 13:11:15

Believe it or not I think this is a good thing.

I think this could well be the point where people stop going " how wonderful" and start going wtf.

It's really showing the deviant thoughts behind it all.

I don't share your optimism because I have no faith in the media or the general public making any effort to distinguish between this and any other branch of the alphabet soup. The backlash will hit all gay people, gender non-conforming straight people, the lot.
This is prime "we told you those gays were dodgy" material. Imagine what Putin would make of this.

JoanSummers Mon 14-Jan-19 13:14:03

FlyingOink
Personally I think they are trying to paint GC lesbians (in particular) as "humourless dykes". It's an old trope, gay men are fabulous and fun, lesbians are grumpy and boring, and oppose lots of fun things for boring, grown-up, man-hating reasons. It's the easiest, laziest and most tenacious mud to sling at us, and it happens all the time.
Yes, I think you are absolutely right with this.

ScienceIsTruth Mon 14-Jan-19 13:14:46

Just, NO. I'm speechless and now need eye bleach. envy <feel sick, not envy>

gendercritter Mon 14-Jan-19 13:23:09

I sometimes imagine the people behind Mermaids looking back at all this 5 years from now. I wonder whether they'll think the 'acceptance without exception' tagline was a smart move.

Hey ho. This is out now and they can't put things like this back in the box. Good.

GerryblewuptheER Mon 14-Jan-19 13:25:57

flying
In the nicest and most respectful possible way I hope to god you are wrong. I certainly along side the rest of you bare to see this carry on.

I have seen tweets from.gay men who do not want to be associated with this new wave of paedophilic freaks piggybacking the trans activism as it took them so long to move away from being thought of as perverts

If this doesn't peak the majority of the gay community I don't know what will

sad

GerryblewuptheER Mon 14-Jan-19 13:26:22

Can't bare

Dragon3 Mon 14-Jan-19 13:26:33

If the pictures weren't sexualised I could have seen this as a well intended gesture for a sadly dubious children's charity. What on earth were these men thinking?

A much more interesting calendar would have been of the men in their everyday clothes alongside (non sexualised) photos of them in dresses wigs and makeup. That would have at least demonstrated that it's okay for boys to dress in a stereotypically feminine way.

Dragon3 Mon 14-Jan-19 13:27:32

I have seen tweets from.gay men who do not want to be associated with this new wave of paedophilic freaks piggybacking the trans activism as it took them so long to move away from being thought of as perverts

I have seen this too. They must be horrified.

JoanSummers Mon 14-Jan-19 13:36:49

I have seen critical gay men too. But there also those that slip into this reactionary and blind support of drag without considering the exact context, or feminist criticism, or women's feelings of discomfort about drag parodies of women more generally.

The backlash they invite will hit lesbians too.

FlyingOink Mon 14-Jan-19 13:36:52

If this doesn't peak the majority of the gay community I don't know what will
I really hope so. All the fluffy rainbow nicey-nicey acceptance without thinking exception will be useless if the general public starts to reassociate homosexuals with perversion, excess and paedophilia. The queer warriors who moan about kink shaming are actually a small percentage, the everyday regular homosexual wants to be able to work, live and love in peace.
I think in a way it's egotistical. They can't conceive of the possibility that the status quo is fragile, and based on continuing acceptance from the majority.
Call me paranoid but it wasn't that long ago that things were very bad for obvious homosexuals and not much better for those who were closeted. This kind of stupidity really doesn't help.
I wonder if the drag queens themselves know about the kind of controversy Mermaids finds itself in. Or are they just glossing over it, assuming it's a legit LGBT cause? There appear to be a number of parties who haven't bothered to do their homework, similar to the Green Party threads. Ironic when all the info is so easy to access online.

picklemepopcorn Mon 14-Jan-19 13:45:12

I defy anyone to imagine the Guides using this as a fundraiser. Or a kids football team. Or a childhood cancer charity. To think it might be ok, because it's to be sold to adults is just 'duh'.

GerryblewuptheER Mon 14-Jan-19 13:57:30

A much more interesting calendar would have been of the men in their everyday clothes alongside (non sexualised) photos of them in dresses wigs and makeup. That would have at least demonstrated that it's okay for boys to dress in a stereotypically feminine way

That would have been lovely wouldn't it. For boys to be able to see they can have long hair, wear make up wear what they like etc

Except this just continues to co firm that there is no middle ground what so ever with the people. Either they wear "boys" stuff or they dress up in bondage gear and pose provocatively.

All ironically whilst saying that no one will knlw someone is trans they all want to quietly live their lives and they have been using changing rooms for years unnoticed hmm

NonExistentFox Mon 14-Jan-19 14:08:10

Would a naked and vanilla calendar be ok?

Katvonbatshitmermaid Mon 14-Jan-19 14:19:11

What I don't get is....

A lot of the Queen stuff, is all about excepting that masculinity is flawed and men can dress, dance, make up, to their hearts desire. It's okay to reject gender. Certainly that's the message given in popular culture, like the musical Kinky Boots?

But Mermaids would have transed the lead character, Simon/Lola the drag queen. He was associating with femininity as a child! To Mermaids he is a girl!!! I know that's just a story, but don't queens see themselves as men? Why are they supporting a charity that would see gender non conforming children as the opposite sex?

I'm guessing they are so woke they are bloody stupid?

So many TRAs see drag as transphobic. I wonder if this is a (frankly terrible) way of saying "we aren't, honest".

Katvonbatshitmermaid Mon 14-Jan-19 14:19:48

*accepting

Why can't we flipping edit!!!

GerryblewuptheER Mon 14-Jan-19 14:23:32

So many TRAs see drag as transphobic. I wonder if this is a (frankly terrible) way of saying "we aren't, honest"

Yes the idea of men dressing up as women and yet still knowing they are men seems to make them very very angry. And very arrogant too when they have the nerve to tell people who have been trans since before they were even born that they are transing wrong hmm

JoanSummers Mon 14-Jan-19 14:26:34

So many TRAs see drag as transphobic.

Except when they want to inflate their numbers.

Datun Mon 14-Jan-19 15:45:23

Would a naked and vanilla calendar be ok?

Why would you use anything that was sexualised to promote a children's charity?

PineappleSunrise Mon 14-Jan-19 16:07:46

That's an excellent question, Datun.

Earlywalker Mon 14-Jan-19 16:13:47

There’s nothing wrong with the Calendar in itself but It is odd to associate it with a child’s charity of any kind imo

BettyDuMonde Mon 14-Jan-19 16:18:06

I guess it’s nice to do stuff for charity? But yes, BDSM, fetish and kid isn’t a very healthy combination. Gay or straight is neither here nor there, really. We happily teach kids about being gay by discussing it in the age appropriate social sphere (‘some children have two mummmies, or two daddies, and that’s just fine’) we don’t teach them about boot boys or bears!

A story about a drag performer being accused of transphobia, for new readers/lurkers: www.phillyvoice.com/aunt-mary-pat-disabatino-win-win-coffee-bar-lgbtq-transgender/

feministfairy Mon 14-Jan-19 16:18:50

This calendar really calls into question the safety of a charity that is aimed at children. If they are so out of touch with child development, safeguarding, child safety and the emotional development of children, they're really not fit to be working with children. Maybe they ought to be reported to the NSPCC for providing age inappropriate sexualised imagery to children.

Earlywalker Mon 14-Jan-19 16:21:58

I don’t think it’s actually aimed at children is it? Surely it’s aimed at adults, the proceeds are just going to mermaids?

picklemepopcorn Mon 14-Jan-19 16:24:51

Yes Earlywalker, but could you imagine any other children's charity raising money in this way? Guides? ClicSeargent? Your local swimming club?

picklemepopcorn Mon 14-Jan-19 16:26:28

Perhaps I should suggest it to the PTA.

FlyingOink Mon 14-Jan-19 16:30:03

I don’t think it’s actually aimed at children is it? Surely it’s aimed at adults, the proceeds are just going to mermaids?
That's my understanding yes. But it shows a lack of either judgement or concern to use this as a fundraising method.
You could host some White Collar Boxing matches to raise money for a DV shelter, or a pub crawl to raise money for children orphaned by a drink driving accident, or sell scratch cards for a gambling addiction charity, but that's all I'm pretty poor taste and this is too

FlyingOink Mon 14-Jan-19 16:30:33

In not I'm

Earlywalker Mon 14-Jan-19 17:19:16

No it is odd for sure. The calendar itself is pretty harmless and is typical of drag as drag is supposed to be ‘sexy’ but it’s odd of mermaids to be linking to it. I can imagine the drag queens just thought they wanted to do something to help, in a way that is typical ‘drag’ but think mermaids should’ve perhaps declined to be associated with the calendar or accepted a donation instead.
Linking to it on Twitter is a bit odd too, especially when they are aware of the concerns around them. It almost screams untouchable in the faces of doubt.

FlyingOink Mon 14-Jan-19 17:27:20

I can imagine the drag queens just thought they wanted to do something to help yeah I considered that might be the case.
It almost screams untouchable in the faces of doubt. Which is the most concerning aspect.

TimeLady Mon 14-Jan-19 17:36:31

Might this be a useful item to show any head teacher intent on inviting Mermaids into their school?

NonExistentFox Mon 14-Jan-19 17:47:55

Why would you use anything that was sexualised to promote a children's charity?

Well, I appreciate that some things are only worth starting threads about when trans advocates do them but they're not the first...

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/entertainment/news/amp31182/eastenders-cast-strip-off-naked-calendar-children-in-need/

www.tptg.co.uk/view-article/8301/ptg-naked-calendar

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/living/2481325/eighteen-inspirational-dads-strip-for-charity-calendar-to-raise-funds-for-a-childrens-hospice-in-wales-and-share-their-heartbreaking-stories/amp/

www.google.co.uk/amp/forgetoday.com/press/sheffield-sports-teams-get-their-kit-off-for-charity/amp/

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6312525/amp/Strong-Soham-mums-Bereaved-parents-join-forces-Hollys-mother-charity-calendar.html

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/devons-best-naked-calendars-charity-2131683.amp

FlyingOink Mon 14-Jan-19 18:01:14

NonExistentFox mate if you can't tell the difference between a naked sports team/Sonia from EastEnders hiding behind a menu and drag queens in a dungeon simulating a whipping there's no hope for you.
If Susie Green and the Mermaids staff had done a naked calendar there would be nothing to discuss.

Beerflavourednipples Mon 14-Jan-19 18:08:36

Not reeeeeeaaaalllllyyyyy the same NonExistentFox is it?

ChewyLouie Mon 14-Jan-19 18:13:23

Kink - this is kink not the WI popping out from behind a sofa. If you can’t understand the difference then brain bleach is needed- urgently.
If you want to support an organisation donate the flipping money, not everything needs to be over sexualised. I’m going to morph into Mary Whitehouse I’m getting pretty fed up with the way things are heading.

NonExistentFox Mon 14-Jan-19 18:15:49

Yup, that's why I asked whether a naked and vanilla calendar would be ok. Computer said no.

userschmoozer Mon 14-Jan-19 18:16:39

wtf.

FlyingOink Mon 14-Jan-19 18:19:20

Yup, that's why I asked whether a naked and vanilla calendar would be ok. Computer said no.
Pic attached was your opportunity to say "no, not sexualised, more like -these- (insert links)"

ChewyLouie Mon 14-Jan-19 18:21:20

* FlyingOink* took the words out of my mouth 😀
Fox beyond distasteful to bring up the Soham calendar in this thread. Shameful behaviour.

PineappleSunrise Mon 14-Jan-19 18:23:44

Oh, so Fox wasn't talking about vanilla sex at all - just a bit of not-quite-nudity. That's the crappy parallel right there.

Unless Fox, you do actually find yourself getting quite excited on naturist beaches, in saunas, and it changing rooms, and being politely but firmly asked to leave?

JoanSummers Mon 14-Jan-19 18:29:18

People suggesting this isn't much of an issue are also not taking the context wrt Mermaids and their own background into account.

There is abundant evidence that Mermaids have no understanding of safeguarding, that they actively promote to schools and children's orgs policies that ignore and even go against safeguarding guidelines and skim the law (I'm being generous there). The leader of Mermaids took her child to Thailand for genital surgery to remove the child's genitals and replace them with a facsimile of female genitals for their sixteenth birthday. This woman laughed and joked about this. If that child had been female she could have been investigated for taking her child abroad for female genital mutilation. There is evidence that this woman sees transition as an appropriate response to children showing signs of gender nonconformance and homosexuality. This is the context in which Mermaids operate and this is the context that Mermaids supporting and promoting this calendar and these images need to be examined in.

NonExistentFox Mon 14-Jan-19 18:31:13

Pic attached implies that naked and vanilla is sexualised.

FlyingOink Mon 14-Jan-19 18:34:54

NonExistentFox
Which was your opportunity to correct that poster, who incidentally, doesn't operate the computer sats no computer either.
Your "gotcha" failed.

NonExistentFox Mon 14-Jan-19 18:42:03

Which was your opportunity to correct that poster

But she's right. They're not anthropology. The whole point is they're intended to be titillating.

Beerflavourednipples Mon 14-Jan-19 18:43:13

NonExistent I feel like you think you are a having a 'gotcha' moment, but I don't get it?

Beerflavourednipples Mon 14-Jan-19 18:45:40

There are drag queens in that Mermaids calendar looking at a gay porn magazine, amongst other images. I don't get how that is the same as the links you have posted?

SunsetBeetch Mon 14-Jan-19 18:48:38

Blimey. As Mermaids have me blocked on twitter I had no idea their logo was on it. This is bad.

NonExistentFox Mon 14-Jan-19 18:54:01

They are clothed OTOH, Beerflavourednipples.

FlyingOink Mon 14-Jan-19 19:26:16

NonExistentFox
Maybe just don't volunteer to do children's fundraising.

Ereshkigal Mon 14-Jan-19 19:32:30

Oh, the DM is taking the passive aggressive tack, surely, by referring to it as a "VERY glamorous calendar"?

I snorted at that.

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