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amandadecabernet Tue 23-Oct-18 12:55:01

Keeping it classy, M&S.

Anyone use the M&S live chat successfully? I've waited to live chat and before anyone answered they ended the chat saying it's not available.
www.marksandspencer.com/MSContactUsCmd?storeId=10151&langId=-24&catalogId=10051&categoryId=282501&byEmail=8

traceyracer Tue 23-Oct-18 14:03:27

I will be writing a very strong letter of complaint to M&S about this

Thisnamechanger Tue 23-Oct-18 14:05:59

What's wrong?

FissionChips Tue 23-Oct-18 14:09:16

I don’t see the problem, cocktails have weird names and you have to be an adult to buy it.

StormCloudsDoClear Tue 23-Oct-18 14:09:19

But it's a cocktail (a rather nice one, may I add) bit like Sex on the Beach, that's just what it is called.

Sorry but I'm finding it hard to see the problem with this one.

MephistophelesApprentice Tue 23-Oct-18 14:10:57

They've even included a hint of prosecco, it's actually pretty tasty.

Eminybob Tue 23-Oct-18 14:11:19

Have you also complained to all the pubs, bars and restaurants that sell porn star martinis?

Bonions Tue 23-Oct-18 14:11:57

Theyre one of my favourite cocktails

ShatnersBalloonFromPennywise Tue 23-Oct-18 14:12:14

It's a recognised and popular cocktail, not something M&S has made up.

FermatsTheorem Tue 23-Oct-18 14:13:33

Yes, I'm in the "yeah but cocktails have funny names" group (Long slow comfortable screw against a wall, anyone?) Part of the point of cocktails is meant to be conjuring up an atmosphere of a slightly decadent nightclub.

The sad thing is the thought of trying to recreate this at home while wearing your comfy slippers, sipping an M&S pre-mixed cocktail on the draylon sofa. It does for cocktails (and the whole "Farewell mein lieber herr" vibe) what this dress did for haute couture.

CharlesChickens Tue 23-Oct-18 14:15:27

It may be an actual cocktail, but I don’t madly want to explain to my small daughter what a porn star is, while shopping for cake.

Eminybob Tue 23-Oct-18 14:16:07

Better keep her out of the booze aisle then.

bagpiss Tue 23-Oct-18 14:17:15

I might have to quickly nip to M&S...

QforCucumber Tue 23-Oct-18 14:17:24

@charleschickens Tesco also sell a sex on the beach cocktail in a can, will you be making a complaint to them too?

CharlesChickens Tue 23-Oct-18 14:18:09

Well it’s hard, with her gin habit...
Actually our nearest branch is very small so the booze isn’t all by itself.

StormCloudsDoClear Tue 23-Oct-18 14:19:08

@Charles you don't have to, just say it's a name of drink for grown ups like "wine".

They will probably put it high mid shelf of fridges/shelf's to avoid young children's gazes anyway.

FissionChips Tue 23-Oct-18 14:19:59

My grandma used to love a screaming orgasm, first drink she ordered on her 83rd birthday .

spacepoodle Tue 23-Oct-18 14:20:11

Can someone explain how this is a feminist issue? I'm genuinely confused.

Magicstar1 Tue 23-Oct-18 14:23:03

Doesn't bother me in the least...it's not like they've created the name. If they changed the name people wouldn't know what they were getting.

RudeZebra Tue 23-Oct-18 14:23:07

Can someone explain how this is a feminist issue? I'm genuinely confused.

Because it's something to moan about.

Eminybob Tue 23-Oct-18 14:24:49

Well, it makes a change from transgender threads.

ASilhouetteAndNothingMore Tue 23-Oct-18 14:26:23

They also sell puttanesca pasta? My kids have never shown the slightest interest in that either.

spacepoodle Tue 23-Oct-18 14:26:37

Thanks for clarifying @RudeZebra

StylishMummy Tue 23-Oct-18 14:27:07

This is making a farce of feminism - it's the name of a chuffing cocktail, a very well known one!

hipsterfun Tue 23-Oct-18 14:34:11

Sex and screwing are acceptable, porn not so much, so a slightly regrettable decision by M&S. I can’t get too excited about this one myself but pushback on all fronts isn’t a bad thing.

umpteennamechanges Tue 23-Oct-18 14:35:09

I think this kind of thing gives feminism a bad name TBH.

Am a feminist. Not offended by M&S using the very well known name of a cocktail.

Even if I was offended it would be roughly 5,789,765th on my priority list of things to be angry about.

MarthasGinYard Tue 23-Oct-18 14:35:45

I love a PSM

Wish I'd bought some with me on this holiday

They can't mix a decent cocktail of any description

Nothisispatrick Tue 23-Oct-18 14:37:30

It’s my favourite cocktail. M&S should thank you for the free advertising OP, I’ll be getting a few cans at the weekend.

TulipsInBloom1 Tue 23-Oct-18 14:37:32

I fucking love a Pornstar Martini. Tesco sell it in a can too, but theyve called theirs Passion Fruit Martini. Pussies.

itsbritneybiatches Tue 23-Oct-18 14:37:43

I hope my local has them

TulipsInBloom1 Tue 23-Oct-18 14:38:08

Also. Forgive me. But there are male and female pornstars yes?

FluffyMcCloud Tue 23-Oct-18 14:38:45

I hate the name Porn Star Martini and absolutely wont order one in a bar. So I won’t buy one in M&S either. I think it glamourises the porn industry and I am vehemently against that. But I’m sure I’m probably “professionally offended” and giving feminism a bad name 🙄

MarthasGinYard Tue 23-Oct-18 14:38:52

Yep

Thanks Op I'll be stocking up

Hope they do the three for 2

MotherofKitties Tue 23-Oct-18 14:40:50

It's a cocktail. My favourite one actually. There's bigger and better things to stress about in life than the name of a drink being sold in a supermarket.

SirVixofVixHall Tue 23-Oct-18 14:42:45

I’m with fluffy.

youngestisapsycho Tue 23-Oct-18 14:43:02

I'm going straight to M&S to get some after work! Might pick up some man size tissues too before they're scrapped... an unopened box could be a collectors item in years to come! grin

CritEqual Tue 23-Oct-18 14:44:03

Well if this is the hill you choose to make your stand and die on then fair enough.

DeRigueurMortis Tue 23-Oct-18 14:44:12

Another who can't get too excited over this.

It's an adult drink.

No, I don't particularly like the name, but that's what it's inventor decided to call it (presumably to make it stand out).

Truth be told it's a lovely cocktail (as is the raspberry version), but I wouldn't buy it pre-mixed anyway - it's not really the same thing as the Prosecco is meant to be "on the side" not in the drink.

Espresso Martini is my current cocktail of choice atm anyway grin, got a lovey kit off Amazon (with all the cocktail shaker etc and ingredients included). It was fab (ponders whether to order another for next weekend).....

Notacluewhatthisis Tue 23-Oct-18 14:48:16

You can but this drink in most bars. And pre mixed ones in most supermarkets, though they aren't as good.

Why is M&S expected to not do this?

amandadecabernet Tue 23-Oct-18 14:53:45

I'm glad no one has a problem with it. How are alcohol and sex aligned I wonder? Porny/orgasm/screw against a wall are cocktails, aimed largely at women, so they too can parktake in porn culture. Fun! Are M&S branching out into porn too? Would that be okay?

The normalisation of porn fuels rape culture. So yes, I'd call it out at other bars and pubs too.

Maybe they'll invent a Prison Shower or Prostate Exam cocktail for blokes - ?

amandadecabernet Tue 23-Oct-18 14:54:16

I'm not expecting them not to do it, I'm saying I don't like it and think it is harmful. Two different things.

OlennasWimple Tue 23-Oct-18 15:01:35

No, nothing wrong at all with a high street retailer selling things that say "porn star" on them - obviously nothing to do with the harmful normalisation of porn that only today has been described as a public health issue as bad as smoking

hmm

MrsVietor Tue 23-Oct-18 15:03:14

Look, I'm all over the pockets in women's clothing thread grin but I just can't get upset about this one.

MrsVietor Tue 23-Oct-18 15:04:17

Also - am I the only one who read this in Nessa's voice?

"Truth be told it's a lovely cocktail"

rightreckoner Tue 23-Oct-18 15:05:05

I’m not offended. Just tired of porn being so mainstream. Can’t we put it back into the unsavoury side streets where it belongs ?

I agree with Oleanna and OP. Porn being used to sell stuff is a problem.

QforCucumber Tue 23-Oct-18 15:09:23

'Maybe they'll invent a Prison Shower or Prostate Exam cocktail for blokes - ?'

but what part of it is AIMED at women? It's on every cocktail menu in every bar/restaurant I've been in recently, where I've ordered a margarita and DP has ordered a daiquiri, it is in no way advertised 'ah you woman, YOU must drink me as I claim you will become porn star esque upon consumption' In the same way a sex on the beach doesn't mean I'll get it.

MephistophelesApprentice Tue 23-Oct-18 15:09:41

Oh, great, now I'm going to have to imagine M&S porn for the rest of the day.

Pleasant, normal bodied men and women in comfy pyjamas having a cocoa before going into their bland bedrooms for pleasant but vaguely unsatisfactory missionary sex.

But at least the snacks afterwards are tasty.

FermatsTheorem Tue 23-Oct-18 15:11:37

I do find it distasteful that porn is so mainstream, but this really is not the hill I'm prepared to die on. Apart from anything else (a) it's an alcoholic drink so only on sale to over -18s and (b) it's in M&S foodhall so hardly going to be corrupting the yoof of today.

Those shite "future pornstar" t-shirts for young girls a few years back, however... I'd like to find the man who designed and marketed them, and shove one of them where the sun don't shine.

FermatsTheorem Tue 23-Oct-18 15:12:45

BTW, does anyone else involuntarily clench at the name "sex on the beach"? I mean, sand up your foof? No way.

MephistophelesApprentice Tue 23-Oct-18 15:14:06

Sand isn't particularly great in the foreskin and salt water ain't no lubricant.

amandadecabernet Tue 23-Oct-18 15:15:32

It's funny how many people need to say they have NO PROBLEM with it, love the cocktail, going to name my baby Pornstar etc. I mean by all means thanks for letting me know but feel free to go about your day, I'm not taking a survey and this isn't aibu.

I don't mind having a discussion about it, do join in if you're so inclined, but you're not duty-bound to say I DON'T CARE, I'll assume your views are on the neutral side if you're not saying otherwise.

There's a pub near where I live where they serve up a massive porn star cocktail for six (I think) in a giant martini glass with a bottle of Prosecco chaser. Young women take photos of each other all leaning over the glass drinking it with straws. I think that's a bit ugly and demeaning, and makes a joke of expecting/enticing young women to drink too much so they'll be sexually accessible. (After all the name is because 'passionfruit is an aphrodesiac' and a porn star needs to be gagging for it, amirite?!) All this alongside training women to never let their drink out of their sight to avoid being drugged.

So anyone who is saying they don't get it, that's where I'm coming from.

PlayingGrownUp Tue 23-Oct-18 15:22:22

Men can be porn stars so I’d say that the name refers to both genders. I personally never assumed that it referred to women.

FermatsTheorem Tue 23-Oct-18 15:23:42

The thing is, there's a distinction between discussing feminism (which can include the way everyday language, including the naming of things, is used to normalise the oppression of women). Then there's deliberate hyperbole which comes across as possibly a kind of agent-provocateur attempt to wind people up into a frothing mass (for fun? to obtain screenshots? Who the fuck knows? - that last one's the title of a book by the marvelous Germaine Bunbury in case you're not familiar with her oeuvre.)

Anyway, justifiable feminist point or deliberate hyperbole with an agenda... hard to tell, but I advise all our readers, contributors and lurkers to think critically about this issue... (not the porn-star cocktails, the "not all threads on the internet are started for the reasons they claim on the surface to be started for" issue).

amandadecabernet Tue 23-Oct-18 15:23:54

QforCucumber in the same way lots of stuff is marketed toward men and women without you needing to show id or have your chromosomes tested before you buy it. Marketing is sex-based, aimed toward those who are likely to buy it.

TulipsInBloom1 Tue 23-Oct-18 15:25:38

think that's a bit ugly and demeaning, and makes a joke of expecting/enticing young women to drink too much so they'll be sexually accessible
Or its a bunch of women who all like a similar drink, like the fun of a sharing cocktail and couldnt give a shiny shit about sexual accessibility or indeed whether there are even any men around as they having too good a time.

amandadecabernet Tue 23-Oct-18 15:28:22

FermatsTheorem are you suggesting my intentions are disingenuous? While I think the normalisation of porn is troubling (and everyone has their own line in the sand, so perhaps mine isn't the same as yours), the lather here is more along the lines of I DON'T CARE. Or do you mean my goal is to prove that feminists don't care about porn? Do elaborate, I assure you I'm not taking the piss.
Also on a public forum I assume discussion is the main point. Where's the hyperbole?

amandadecabernet Tue 23-Oct-18 15:31:30

OlennasWimple are you a subscriber? Do you mind copying the text here?

Theswaggyotter Tue 23-Oct-18 15:32:08

I wouldn’t buy one either OP so I get where you are coming from. Also agree given today’s report on the effect Porn is having on society that’s its ‘normalising’ it. I don’t think I’d go as far as boycotting m and s over it though as it’s sadly a well established drink (admittedly they could have changed the name to something less likely to cause offence - they would probably sell more that way too)

FermatsTheorem Tue 23-Oct-18 15:36:39

" NO PROBLEM with it, love the cocktail, going to name my baby Pornstar"

No one on mumsnet (or indeed anywhere in the fucking world) has ever proposed calling their baby pornstar. That's why your posts are hyperbole.

As for whether you're in good faith, I don't know. Perhaps you genuinely believe this. Perhaps you are on the windup. Perhaps you are terminally stupid. Perhaps you are a labrador. This is the internet - you could be any one of those things. But I do find it impossible to take you seriously.

amandadecabernet Tue 23-Oct-18 15:39:12

And I see a lot of reference to a hill that one is or is not prepared to die on, which is fine (hyperbolic, but whatever) but just to be clear I'm not asking anyone to die on any hills. I'm not trying to foment feminist revolution ok that would be great but that's not what this post in particular is about but not everything is revolution-level outrage, there is a thin end of the wedge.
So porn star martini is fine, but future porn star tshirts aren't. Top shelf porn in newsagents is fine but page 3 isn't (or the reverse if you prefer) or whatever, it's all the same ball of wax. You think you say one is okay so they'll come to ask you before they up the ante?
I understand my writing style can be a bit formal and po-faced (get me a porn star martini stat obvs) but I don't see how what I've written in hyperbolic. It's standard radfem stuff as far as I'm concerned.

Chocolatecoffeeaddict Tue 23-Oct-18 15:40:45

Seriously? Get a life!

Oblomov18 Tue 23-Oct-18 15:42:12

No issue to me.
Show me the way!! 

amandadecabernet Tue 23-Oct-18 15:43:12

FermatsTheorem apologies, I thought it was clear that that bit (about the baby) was a joke. I'll sound a klaxon next time. But lots of folk saying how much they like the cocktail and have no problem with it (the earlier capitalisation was mine).

Again, it's pretty standard rape culture stuff. I'm taken aback that it seems so out there to you.

Not saying anyone should boycott anything. There are feminists who are disturbed by this. I am one of them. There are others here. If you're not one, thanks for letting me know I guess - ?

MrsVietor Tue 23-Oct-18 15:46:03

" NO PROBLEM with it, love the cocktail, going to name my baby Pornstar"

Don't be daft. Also - hard no to every use of 'amirite' ever. Just nope.

MrsVietor Tue 23-Oct-18 15:46:49

Ooh crosspost! But still solid on the 'amirite' thing grin

Winniefred Tue 23-Oct-18 15:49:33

You can tell I am getting older and out of touch, porn was a thing that was considered to harm Women and Girls, the promotion and pushing of pornified stereotypes on our youth has led to a major rise in sexual harassment of our girls to a point where boys struggle to know what the bounderies are, but it is ok to support a family store's promotion of sexist and demeaning named cocktail! It looks like I was not alone "outdated thinking" as M&S has killed the link! My position is that all pornification is harmful, no matter how it is advertised, it helps to 'normalise' it sad

ifonlyus Tue 23-Oct-18 15:49:39

I'm with you OP, in that I am rolling my eyes at M&S for stocking this.

Of course we know M&S buyers didn't just scroll down a list of cocktails and randomly tick the one with Porn in its title. This was a deliberate choice to appear edgy, 'en trend', young, whatever. It's just one more push that helps make the sex-industry part of mainstream culture.

I'm not going to exhaust any energy over it, but like I say, it has me rolling my eyes.

Chocolatecoffeeaddict Tue 23-Oct-18 15:58:02

Pornstar martini has been around for years. I'm surprised you didn't realise that. You're choosing to be deeply disturbed over a complete non issue.

NoParticularPattern Tue 23-Oct-18 16:00:12

amandadecabernet I’m not sure you get how Internet forums work. You don’t get to make your point and then throw your toys out of the pram when people have an opinion which isn’t the same as yours. You’re perfectly entitled to your opinion, but so is everyone else. They are also equally as permitted to voice that opinion. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean you can stop people engaging.

For what it’s worth I think a lot of cocktail names are cringey, but it doesn’t stop me enjoying them. I’m not much bothered about what my drink is called so long as it tastes nice. There’s no requirement to behave like a pornstar, have sex in the beach or a slow comfortable screw etc etc. They’re names. This is before you even consider the fact that these items (whether in M&S or not) are marketed at over 18s who, should they decide to do any of the above, would be perfectly within their rights to do so. But again, they’re drinks, they are not going to force anyone into any of these things.

I’ll finish with your most hated phrase (apparently). They don’t bother me, bit cringe if you start asking your mam for one, but then I’m probably a bit of a prude. I think there are far more important issues in the world of feminism to sink your teeth into.

amandadecabernet Tue 23-Oct-18 16:03:18

Winniefred the further the porn brand is carried across the culture, the further it's used away from actual porn, the more it's normalised for all consumers, as though it is no longer anything to do with sex. Trying to read that link to the Telegraph article but I'm not going to subscribe, not yet anyway.
ifonlyus yes, that was my point. Just to be clear despite my hyperbole and apparently being some kind of agent provocateur, I haven't suggested anywhere that anyone should boycott or exhaust themselves or die on a hill. I'm discussing this because it matters to me as a woman and a feminist, and I'm not the only one.
All I did was post the link and discuss my own thoughts. Again, I say feel free to go on with your lives if this is of absolutely no interest to you.

Madbengalmum Tue 23-Oct-18 16:03:57

As pornstars can be both men and women, and the drinks has been around for years and is sold only to over 18's, its a non issue.

amandadecabernet Tue 23-Oct-18 16:08:33

NoParticularPattern I don't understand how I've thrown my toys out of the pram. Here I am engaging. I'm just saying that if you genuinely don't care about it consider it understood, you don't have to keep telling me, I'm not taking a survey. I care about it and would like to discuss it, but don't feel like you have to if it means nothing to you. Not sure what you're telling me my most hated phrase is, I didn't say I hated anything.

SuperstarDJ Tue 23-Oct-18 16:09:15

Why are you targeting M&S? They didn’t come up with the name of the cocktail. Why aren’t you also targeting every bar and restaurant that has it on their menu or every off-licence that sells it as a cocktail mix?

amandadecabernet Tue 23-Oct-18 16:09:46

If you're saying it's a non-issue, I don't agree. And there are others who don't agree. Normalisation of porn is damaging.

amandadecabernet Tue 23-Oct-18 16:10:34

I'm not 'targeting' them, I've posted a link to an article that is being used to market this product.

MarthasGinYard Tue 23-Oct-18 16:12:25

I just want one

E20mom Tue 23-Oct-18 16:12:34

Bah.

amandadecabernet Tue 23-Oct-18 16:12:38

Surely you can do something without doing everything? You're right, I'm not doing an in-depth mass-targetting of everyone who ever sold this cocktail.

Raven88 Tue 23-Oct-18 16:14:18

Do they do a virgin PSM?

MorrisZapp Tue 23-Oct-18 16:15:16

I'm with you op. I'm fine, I'm not enraged or losing my shit. I'm not dying on any hill.

But it's a bit rubbish that M&S stock an item with pornstar in the name.

ifonlyus Tue 23-Oct-18 16:15:34

ifonlyus yes, that was my point. Just to be clear despite my hyperbole and apparently being some kind of agent provocateur, I haven't suggested anywhere that anyone should boycott or exhaust themselves or die on a hill. I'm discussing this because it matters to me as a woman and a feminist, and I'm not the only one.

Yes, I was agreeing with you. I didn't mean no-one should exhaust any energy over it. All these small 'eye rolling' things add up. Whilst many of us fight the bigger fights, it doesn't mean that this is un-noteworthy as part of a bigger societal problem.

MeanQueenHalloween Tue 23-Oct-18 16:17:11

They could've at least got Ron Jeremy to advertise it.

RogerAllamsFangirl Tue 23-Oct-18 16:18:01

I hate stupid cocktail names. Since cocktails are predominantly drunk by women, I think the sexy names were invented as a way to try to embarrass women ordering them. It's like being groped as far as I'm concerned. Fortunately I'm teetotal so I can nurture my sour misery at home.

MarthasGinYard Tue 23-Oct-18 16:18:21

<wonders how they serve in a can. Like my fizz chaser separate>

PanGalaticGargleBlaster Tue 23-Oct-18 16:20:02

Since cocktails are predominantly drunk by women, I think the sexy names were invented as a way to try to embarrass women ordering them. It's like being groped as far as I'm concerned.

FFS!

Take the tin foil hat off

MorrisZapp Tue 23-Oct-18 16:20:28

If it's anything like their toilet cleaner 'mojito' in a can it'll be undrinkable anyway. Boke.

unicornchaser Tue 23-Oct-18 16:23:20

The name of a drink being likened to rape culture or making young girls 'sexually accessible'?! 🤣🤣 please!

It's a drink. With a quippy name. They have been around for eons. And always will be.

Don't want your kids to see the word porn/sex/screw etc, don't buy them, simples 👌🏻
And be the prude that turns the tv channel over at any hint of the words or a kiss while you are at it

MarthasGinYard Tue 23-Oct-18 16:23:22

Morris

I disagree

I find them more like Toothpaste in a can 😖

RogerAllamsFangirl Tue 23-Oct-18 16:25:28

* FFS!

Take the tin foil hat off*

Sorry - I wasn't clear. I'm not suggesting some worldwide conspiracy. I'm suggesting some "laddy" bartender came up with the name. All his mates thought it was totes hilair because you had the fun of women having to ask the bartender or the person getting the round in for a Sex on the Beach or a Long Hard Screw.

amandadecabernet Tue 23-Oct-18 16:28:41

MorrisZapp thanks.

MeanQueenHalloween well yes, RJ is a great brand. If porn is now totally harmless and mainstream maybe M&S or someone will put his face on a baguette.

RudeZebra Tue 23-Oct-18 16:32:40

It's like being groped as far as I'm concerned

You're equating ordering a drink to an actual assault? Un-fucking-believable hmm

hipsterfun Tue 23-Oct-18 16:42:48

While it’s not my death hill of choice, I think OP has been given an unnecessarily hard time.

Notacluewhatthisis Tue 23-Oct-18 16:59:24

Most of the ops 'point is just based around alcohol/social media culture, no exclusive to cocktails with dirty names. L. She doesn't know what she is talking about.

amandadecabernet Tue 23-Oct-18 17:36:29

hipsterfun do we have to choose one of those or can we talk about points relevant to feminism?

Notacluewhatthisis I have no idea what you mean but I do know my beliefs are radfem tenets that predate 'social media culture' whatever that is. Maybe you don't know what I'm talking about - ? Which is fine, but it doesn't invalidate my beliefs.

But thanks for that, even if it's wrong it makes me feel quite zeitgeisty. smile

amandadecabernet Tue 23-Oct-18 17:38:34

hipsterfun I mean even those things that aren't die-on-a-hill worthy can be discussed. I care about this, there are others here who care about it. There are a lot of straws on the camel's back, not just the last one.

hipsterfun Tue 23-Oct-18 17:45:15

Maybe you didn’t see my earlier post wherein I agreed with you?

My later post was further to that, really.

amandadecabernet Tue 23-Oct-18 17:50:53

Even on the fem boards I thought there might be some meh-ish comments but I didn't expect vitriol. I posted the link because I find pornification part of the larger problem - not a controvertial pov in radfem circles - but I'm not frothing, calling for a total boycott, going to lie in the road in front of M&S hq or whatever. I do care about it because all the threads of oppression matter and calling them out matters.

Off out, back later.

Fashionista101 Tue 23-Oct-18 17:53:09

Not going to lie here. After a few I do become more "pornstar" so I guess it's pretty fitting ;)

amandadecabernet Tue 23-Oct-18 17:53:37

hipsterfun I wasn't disagreeing, I was rewording what I'd said earlier because I didn't think it was clear.

Notacluewhatthisis Tue 23-Oct-18 18:11:58

*
NotacluewhatthisisI have no idea what you mean but I do know my beliefs are radfem tenets that predate 'social media culture' whatever that is. Maybe you don't know what I'm talking about - ? Which is fine, but it doesn't invalidate my beliefs.*

I do know what you are talking about. But half your problem seems to be drinking culture and people leaning over with their boobs out, with a huge cocktail. The photo aspect is the social media culture.

I am 36. There were huge cocktails around when I was in my teens. We all took photos
But Not with a drink called porn star martini. You seem to have link the above activity with this drink. When in fact psm has only become very popular in the last few years.

I find it distasteful that you sit in judgement of women who want to take selfies with their cleavage out. No one is telling you too, so what do you find so distasteful about it? Let them do what they want.

You finding their activity distasteful has no impact on wether M&S should sell a drink that will make them money.

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