Trans people are NOT a threat in same sex spaces

[DonnaBe]

So says a study done in Massachusetts and reported in the Boston Globe.

“Study finds no link between transgender rights law and bathroom crimes”

www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/09/11/study-finds-link-between-transgender-rights-law-and-bathroom-crimes/1YWqSptLXOSiobmbH0RBMM/story.html


Maybe we can all take up hobbies now instead of hating on trans people and doctors ?

How about soup making?

[Nicknamesalltaken]

But predatory men will use this for access to women and children.

[Andtheresaw]

Interesting.
Do you have a link to the report OP? The article linked just says the report refutes concerns but doesn't contain any data.
thanks

[Redkeyboard]

Males are a threat to women in single sex spaces however they identify. There is plenty of evidence to support this.

This is about biological sex not gender identity.

[NotMeOhNo]

But then they're not same sex? So bathrooms split by personality? But women don't have a universal personality type...?

[UrsulaPandress]

Well that's a relief.

[DonnaBe]

Apparently, that didn’t happen.

[Redkeyboard]

How about soup making?

Way to smash gender stereotypes with sexist jokes OP.

[R0wantrees]

'UNISEX CHANGING ROOMS PUT WOMEN AT DANGER OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, DATA REVEALS'

"The vast majority of reported sexual assaults at public swimming pools in the UK take place in unisex changing rooms, new statistics reveal.

The data, obtained through a Freedom of Information request by the Sunday Times, suggests that unisex changing rooms are more dangerous for women and girls than single-sex facilities.

Just under 90 per cent of complaints regarding changing room sexual assaults, voyeurism and harassment are about incidents in unisex facilities.

What’s more, two thirds of all sexual attacks at leisure centres and public swimming pools take place in unisex changing rooms" (continues)

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

DonnaBe Women and girls need single sex spaces for safety privacy and dignity.

[Redkeyboard]

Apparently what didn't happen?

[Beholdawomanhasarrived]

Bless you Donna. You're not very good at basic comprehension are you.

There is no one here who thinks trans women are the problem.
Predatory men yes
Predatory men who may use the gra and self id to access womens spaces yes.

But to be fair this has been explained to you before. I'm sorry you have trouble understanding basic things. It must make life very confusing for you.

[ZuttZeVootEeVro]

Male people's insistence to be in female spaces is actually removing female only spaces.

Why do you want to remove female only spaces?

[TonnoEMaionese]

I can't see a link to the study, just to the new report (and we all know how reliable they are)

But if that's the case, then why do transwomen need to come into the women's toilet for safety? They'll be just as safe in the men's toilet, and women can maintain their sex based facilities, which so many world-wide charities agree are important for women and girls.

[DonnaBe]

Andtheresaw

Sadly, I do not have a link to the study itself. Please post if you find it!

[TerfedOff]

That's in the US isn't it?

These are the relevant statistics for the UK:

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

"The vast majority of reported sexual assaults at public swimming pools in the UK take place in unisex changing rooms, new statistics reveal.

The data, obtained through a Freedom of Information request by the Sunday Times, suggests that unisex changing rooms are more dangerous for women and girls than single-sex facilities.

Just under 90 per cent of complaints regarding changing room sexual assaults, voyeurism and harassment are about incidents in unisex facilities.

What’s more, two thirds of all sexual attacks at leisure centres and public swimming pools take place in unisex changing rooms.

Of 134 complaints over 2017-2018, 120 reported incidents took place in gender-neutral changing rooms and just 14 were in single-sex changing areas."

[NoodleEatingPoodle]

Well if you've been busy 'hating on trans people and doctors', DonnaBe, by all means go make some soup and see if it helps you stop being a hateful person.

Meanwhile women on this board will probably go on doing what they've been doing all along: making the feminist case against a regressive and damaging ideology that seeks to redefine what 'woman' means, reify gender roles, and dismantle any and all safeguarding that's predicated on female people's boundaries.

Go somewhere else with your bullshit false equivalence between caring about the rights, dignity and safety of women and girls, and 'hating on trans people'. Your misogyny is showing.

[TerfedOff]

Sorry x posted.

[KittyKlawsReturns]

Maybe just carry on with the issues around safeguarding children, women's refuges, women's prisons, women's sport and the erosion of language used to describe the oppression of 51% of the population rather than making soup.

But you go ahead. I definitely won't stop you devoting more time to your soup pot.

Abstract is here btw - you have to send off for the study I think.

link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13178-018-0335-z

[Molokonono]

Donna why DO trans women want to use the non-male bathrooms?

[JessicaJonesJacket]

I think the stats in The Times article are quite clear on the increased risk of sexual attacks in unisex spaces. Perhaps you can explain why these facts don't bother you? Who are you prioritising over the victims of abuse?

[Nicknamesalltaken]

You are absolutely missing the point OP.

Men have decided women shouldn’t need to be represented/have single sex spaces/should get over their fear of men because ‘not all men..’.

Most of the trans people pushing the new trans agenda are men. They are doing neither women or trans people any favours.

We know men gonto great lengths to gain access. We know men hurt women and children. We don’t want them in our safe spaces. But we MUST accept them we are told.

The likes of Stonewall, Eddie Izzard and Pip Bunch are actively damaging people with gender dysphoria. They are the ones who define trans to include fetishes and cross-dressing.

So yeh, you go ahead and support the men in dresses fucking women, children and trans people over and let us worry about not letting that happen.

[FermatsTheorem]

Can I just ask you a question, OP? Would you be prepared to walk up to one (or all) of the four women sexually assaulted in a women's prison recently by convicted rapist (i.e. person still in possession of a penis) Karen White, and say to their faces "trans people are NOT a threat in women's spaces"?

[arranfan]

I recommend Dr Sophie Allen's recent thread:

This thread is an excellent example of missing the point of an argument. The worry of Docstockk and others is that we do not yet have evidence that transwomen are less likely to sexually assault females than men are (given that most trans women are still biologically male). Women-only spaces exist as a protection for females from sexually assault and harrassment by men. That does not imply (and most men understand that it does not imply) that all men are likely to assault women. Yet all males are (without complaint) excluded from female spaces. hus, transwomen and their allies are being disingenuous if they understand the claim that 'Transwomen may be a likely to commit sexual violence against women as men are' as 'All transwomen are sexual predators'. The latter is not what is being claimed here. (continues)

twitter.com/sophie_r_allen/status/1043906010212179968

[FloralBunting]

Maybe you can take your misogynist suggestion that insisting on retaining the rights of women and girls is a 'hobby' and insert it where the sun don't shine.

Why don't women's safety, concerns and rights not matter to you? Why do you think your concerns are much more important?

[FloralBunting]

Although, I appreciate that you may not get around to answering, given how very very busy you are and only really have the time to shit out bullshit links in between sips of prosecco.

[Ineedacupofteadesperately]

The main thing here is that women and girls* are saying 'no' so whether or not there is evidence for anything is frankly irrelevant. No to men in women's spaces. We say no. We don't have to justify why. The women who say 'yes' don't get to override the wishes of those who say no. We'd all support a third unisex spaces, and both women and men who say yes can go there.

*9 out of 10 of whom fear period shaming at school www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374319-9-out-of-10-girls-fear-period-shaming-at-school