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Dangerous sex offender transferred to women's prison, Peterborough

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doedoe90303811 Tue 18-Sep-18 07:00:31

www.thesun.co.uk/news/7281372/transsexual-paedophile-moved-womens-prison/

Shaun Pudwell 'posed as a girl' to try to rape girls of 12 and 13 years old.
www.thefreelibrary.com/Cyber+creep+facing+prison%3B+He+posed+as+a+girl.-a0169721830
Now Shaun is legally recognised as a girl, under the name of Michelle Lewin, and has a gender recognition certificate. This is a mechanism designed to keep secret, with criminal penalties, the fact Michelle has male biology.

As Michelle has a GRC Michelle has a right to be in women's prison. That is the system TRAs created and lobbied for.

Michelle is under an indefinite sentence, which means that it's deemed that Michelle is a very dangerous sex offender for whom normal punishment rules don't apply, it's more important to protect the public from Michelle.

However this protection is not apparently extended to the women & girls (it's a female YOI) in HMP Peterborough having to share with Michelle.

cornflakegirl Fri 21-Sep-18 14:11:04

I've emailed Fiona Onasanya about this, as she is my MP. Got a very disappointing (but wholly expected) response about how Lewin is legally female and it would be discriminatory to return them to a male prison.

Have replied reminding her about single sex exemptions in the EA, not that I imagine it will make any difference.

seafret Wed 19-Sep-18 15:59:21

Thanks, Errol and Rowan. Yes deletion seems rather punitive. Closing is a better option but really very different conversations so I hope MN will be generous.

I'm glad they called that report the FEMALE Offender Strategy.

Otherwise, we would of course sadly be talking about transwomen amongst the actual women. TW who would get the benefit of a different regime, including talks of not sending women to jail at all if possible, although their offending pattern/behaviour is most likely completely male.

I'm sure there will be males who will be looking to take advantage of any new strategy, and saying how unfair and exclusionary it is. FFS.

Viago Wed 19-Sep-18 15:22:32

We know that there is a higher prevalence of need amongst female offenders, such as mental health problems, and self-harm. Many experience chaotic lifestyles which are often the product of a life of abuse and trauma; almost 60% of female offenders have experienced domestic abuse.

I am convinced that if we take the right approach to female offenders – one that addresses vulnerability, follows the evidence about what works in supporting them to turn their lives around, and treats them as individuals of value – it could have substantial benefits for victims, families, and wider society, as well as for female offenders themselves.

From the MOJ report, thanks R0wan. I don't know they can square this with putting rapists, paedophiles and other male prisoners in with female prisoners, it's not exactly treating women as "individuals of value", is it?

BettyDuMonde Wed 19-Sep-18 15:21:19

Could you DM him the story and leave it with him to decide what to do? He might be able to voice concerns privately if not publicly?

ErrolTheDragon Wed 19-Sep-18 15:09:48

* Her husband is a footballer so I don’t know whether tweeting him would be a good idea to get this to a wider audience or if it could have a negative impact*

Unless his wife's situation is already very public knowledge and they clearly don't mind tweets relating to it, sounds like it could be a significant invasion of their privacy so probably best not.

R0wantrees Wed 19-Sep-18 14:55:02

Fairplay for Women Film:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzDEAz8Qztk&feature=youtu.be

Wannabestepfordwife Wed 19-Sep-18 14:49:44

I know someone who is currently in the mother and baby unit at Peterborough.

This is just absolutely ridiculous yes she committed a crime but to put her and her child at risk is absolutely ridiculous.

Her husband is a footballer so I don’t know whether tweeting him would be a good idea to get this to a wider audience or if it could have a negative impact

R0wantrees Wed 19-Sep-18 11:10:47

Do you not find there's a certain sort of person in discussions who will always prefer their own perspective and anecdotes over reports - dismissing them with, "Statistics always lie"? It's infuriating

I do and it is!

I often quote my (imaginary) Irish greatgrandpa who used to say "why spoil a good story with the truth eh?" wink

arranfan Wed 19-Sep-18 11:04:09

It will become impossible not to interrogate the placing of rapists/ paedophiles in female estate in light of this report.

Do you not find there's a certain sort of person in discussions who will always prefer their own perspective and anecdotes over reports - dismissing them with, "Statistics always lie"? It's infuriating.

But, at the end, patiently promoting facts and referring people to reputable sources is all that we can do.

R0wantrees Wed 19-Sep-18 10:55:00

I was trying to have this discussion with someone recently. They couldn't grasp that women are genuinely sent to prison over Council Tax, TV licence defaults and the like.

The Ministry Of Justice published its report on female offenders this summer (june 2018). It makes explicit both the specific sex-based vulnerabilities and offending patterns of female prisoners.

It is already influencing government policy.

It will become impossible not to interrogate the placing of rapists/ paedophiles in female estate in light of this report.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/719819/female-offender-strategy.pdf

LangCleg Wed 19-Sep-18 10:51:14

10% of all magistrate court cases are for non payment of TV licence.

arranfan Wed 19-Sep-18 10:42:12

If not being able to pay your council tax now justifies the state locking you up with a rapist, we are off to hell in a hand basket.

^^ I was trying to have this discussion with someone recently. They couldn't grasp that women are genuinely sent to prison over Council Tax, TV licence defaults and the like.

And the point beyond that of having a mother with a child and both are exposed to someone with a conviction for paedophila/sexual offences. Leaving aside the mother, what did the child do that the state just jeopardise the child in this way?

BettyDuMonde Wed 19-Sep-18 10:33:27

Women are often incarcerated for low level poverty offences such as receiving stolen goods or non payment of fines.

If not being able to pay your council tax now justifies the state locking you up with a rapist, we are off to hell in a hand basket.

Johndoe10 Wed 19-Sep-18 10:27:57

I do think the question we should be asking is what is the motivation behind these males being allocated spaces in female prisons

I suspect they are supposedly educated people. So why?

VickyEadie Wed 19-Sep-18 10:26:33

I spoke to my friend about this yesterday and her view was ‘well if they (as in women) hadn’t broke the law they wouldn’t be in there any way’

Ask her to show you where any woman's prison sentence included the words 'and be locked up with no way of escape from male rapists who claim they're women'.

Johndoe10 Wed 19-Sep-18 10:23:09

I spoke to my friend about this yesterday and her view was ‘well if they (as in women) hadn’t broke the law they wouldn’t be in there any way’ confused

I just don’t understand the logic behind it or why the judge would deem it appropriate.

It’s really making me what to get a tin hat ..

SirVixofVixHall Wed 19-Sep-18 10:17:55

Absolutely agree that our laws and segregated facilities should be based on sex. It is madness to base laws on the huge variety of people’s feelings about themselves that make up “identity”. I see politicians stating that “non binary identities are valid” ...what does that even mean ? That it is fine to like some blokes things like, er, cars hmm and also some lady things like nail varnish? As though everyone isn’t like that. As though almost the whole of Britain is made up of people who look and feel like either Harrison Ford or Barbie, with a few special exceptions, these incredible non- binary people, who like to occasionally wear trousers and climb cliffs and then sometimes go dancing ? Grrrrrrrrrr

BayeauxT Wed 19-Sep-18 07:24:23

Also write to your MP (my letter was re Stephen Wood aka Karen White). I got a very nice reply yesterday to say he will write to the Prisons Minister ‘to seek some firm reassurances that this sort of ridiculous situation will not re-occur.’ But I will email the above address too, thanks musthavesbackagain.

Musthavesbackagain Wed 19-Sep-18 06:57:24

public.enquiries@noms.gsi.gov.uk

Email address to complain to the Prison Service.

GulagMilkMonitor Wed 19-Sep-18 06:23:49

However, the prison service have their hands tied here. They are just following the government's policies on trans prisoners. I'm sure that they don't want this headache either.

I wonder if they might be more vocal about any concerns they have if they are contacted?

GulagMilkMonitor Wed 19-Sep-18 06:23:03

I think it would be a shame if MNHQ closed one of the threads. Threads on FWR to an extent assume some kind of knowledge about the debate, on AIBU it tends to be read by people who aren’t as invested so ask and require different information.

It’s a bit like closing down a thread about first time births because women on their third baby are also discussing births.

Back to the topic in hand, I’ve written to my (female, Labour MP) and I’ll be writing to her local opposition.

SPOFS Wed 19-Sep-18 05:30:56

He won't be moved until he assaults someone sad

However, the prison service have their hands tied here. They are just following the government's policies on trans prisoners. I'm sure that they don't want this headache either.

Badgerthebodger Wed 19-Sep-18 00:21:38

Oh God I felt sick reading this. A convicted pedophile and rapist, locked up with women and children. The fox is in the henhouse. Someone up thread (sorry on my phone) mentioned writing to women in prison - does anyone know anything about how we could do that? I will google as well just hoping for a head start.

I will write some letters tomorrow. I am BURNING with rage about this, this fucking outrage that “never happens”. How fucking many times does it need to happen? How many women abused? Does it actually have to be a child? Would that stop them or would even that absolute horror be quietly put aside and shrugged off as collateral damage?

If you’re reading this, and you’re thinking urgh what a nasty TERF - yes. Yes I fucking am and I’m watching and I won’t let you get away with it. I’m standing with hundreds of other women who are not having any of this shit either. Women matter, safeguarding matters, sex-segregated spaces matter. We see you. We fucking see you.

Welshmaiden85 Wed 19-Sep-18 00:05:45

This is disgusting. Simply should not be allowed to happen. If I was a relative of someone in that prison I’d be taking legal action.

Voice0fReason Tue 18-Sep-18 23:54:16

This has to stop.
The complete disregard for women is disgusting.

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