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Dangerous sex offender transferred to women's prison, Peterborough

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doedoe90303811 Tue 18-Sep-18 07:00:31

www.thesun.co.uk/news/7281372/transsexual-paedophile-moved-womens-prison/

Shaun Pudwell 'posed as a girl' to try to rape girls of 12 and 13 years old.
www.thefreelibrary.com/Cyber+creep+facing+prison%3B+He+posed+as+a+girl.-a0169721830
Now Shaun is legally recognised as a girl, under the name of Michelle Lewin, and has a gender recognition certificate. This is a mechanism designed to keep secret, with criminal penalties, the fact Michelle has male biology.

As Michelle has a GRC Michelle has a right to be in women's prison. That is the system TRAs created and lobbied for.

Michelle is under an indefinite sentence, which means that it's deemed that Michelle is a very dangerous sex offender for whom normal punishment rules don't apply, it's more important to protect the public from Michelle.

However this protection is not apparently extended to the women & girls (it's a female YOI) in HMP Peterborough having to share with Michelle.

BettyDuMonde Wed 19-Sep-18 10:33:27

Women are often incarcerated for low level poverty offences such as receiving stolen goods or non payment of fines.

If not being able to pay your council tax now justifies the state locking you up with a rapist, we are off to hell in a hand basket.

arranfan Wed 19-Sep-18 10:42:12

If not being able to pay your council tax now justifies the state locking you up with a rapist, we are off to hell in a hand basket.

^^ I was trying to have this discussion with someone recently. They couldn't grasp that women are genuinely sent to prison over Council Tax, TV licence defaults and the like.

And the point beyond that of having a mother with a child and both are exposed to someone with a conviction for paedophila/sexual offences. Leaving aside the mother, what did the child do that the state just jeopardise the child in this way?

LangCleg Wed 19-Sep-18 10:51:14

10% of all magistrate court cases are for non payment of TV licence.

R0wantrees Wed 19-Sep-18 10:55:00

I was trying to have this discussion with someone recently. They couldn't grasp that women are genuinely sent to prison over Council Tax, TV licence defaults and the like.

The Ministry Of Justice published its report on female offenders this summer (june 2018). It makes explicit both the specific sex-based vulnerabilities and offending patterns of female prisoners.

It is already influencing government policy.

It will become impossible not to interrogate the placing of rapists/ paedophiles in female estate in light of this report.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/719819/female-offender-strategy.pdf

arranfan Wed 19-Sep-18 11:04:09

It will become impossible not to interrogate the placing of rapists/ paedophiles in female estate in light of this report.

Do you not find there's a certain sort of person in discussions who will always prefer their own perspective and anecdotes over reports - dismissing them with, "Statistics always lie"? It's infuriating.

But, at the end, patiently promoting facts and referring people to reputable sources is all that we can do.

R0wantrees Wed 19-Sep-18 11:10:47

Do you not find there's a certain sort of person in discussions who will always prefer their own perspective and anecdotes over reports - dismissing them with, "Statistics always lie"? It's infuriating

I do and it is!

I often quote my (imaginary) Irish greatgrandpa who used to say "why spoil a good story with the truth eh?" wink

Wannabestepfordwife Wed 19-Sep-18 14:49:44

I know someone who is currently in the mother and baby unit at Peterborough.

This is just absolutely ridiculous yes she committed a crime but to put her and her child at risk is absolutely ridiculous.

Her husband is a footballer so I don’t know whether tweeting him would be a good idea to get this to a wider audience or if it could have a negative impact

R0wantrees Wed 19-Sep-18 14:55:02

Fairplay for Women Film:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzDEAz8Qztk&feature=youtu.be

ErrolTheDragon Wed 19-Sep-18 15:09:48

* Her husband is a footballer so I don’t know whether tweeting him would be a good idea to get this to a wider audience or if it could have a negative impact*

Unless his wife's situation is already very public knowledge and they clearly don't mind tweets relating to it, sounds like it could be a significant invasion of their privacy so probably best not.

BettyDuMonde Wed 19-Sep-18 15:21:19

Could you DM him the story and leave it with him to decide what to do? He might be able to voice concerns privately if not publicly?

Viago Wed 19-Sep-18 15:22:32

We know that there is a higher prevalence of need amongst female offenders, such as mental health problems, and self-harm. Many experience chaotic lifestyles which are often the product of a life of abuse and trauma; almost 60% of female offenders have experienced domestic abuse.

I am convinced that if we take the right approach to female offenders – one that addresses vulnerability, follows the evidence about what works in supporting them to turn their lives around, and treats them as individuals of value – it could have substantial benefits for victims, families, and wider society, as well as for female offenders themselves.

From the MOJ report, thanks R0wan. I don't know they can square this with putting rapists, paedophiles and other male prisoners in with female prisoners, it's not exactly treating women as "individuals of value", is it?

seafret Wed 19-Sep-18 15:59:21

Thanks, Errol and Rowan. Yes deletion seems rather punitive. Closing is a better option but really very different conversations so I hope MN will be generous.

I'm glad they called that report the FEMALE Offender Strategy.

Otherwise, we would of course sadly be talking about transwomen amongst the actual women. TW who would get the benefit of a different regime, including talks of not sending women to jail at all if possible, although their offending pattern/behaviour is most likely completely male.

I'm sure there will be males who will be looking to take advantage of any new strategy, and saying how unfair and exclusionary it is. FFS.

cornflakegirl Fri 21-Sep-18 14:11:04

I've emailed Fiona Onasanya about this, as she is my MP. Got a very disappointing (but wholly expected) response about how Lewin is legally female and it would be discriminatory to return them to a male prison.

Have replied reminding her about single sex exemptions in the EA, not that I imagine it will make any difference.

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