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New guidelines - we aren't allowed to refer to natal sex

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Maryz Thu 14-Jun-18 11:44:39

According to KateMumsnet:

"We also thought it might be useful to clarify our thinking about general terms for trans people. Having said that TIM is not okay, it seems a bit illogical to allow other terms which hang upon natal sex."

Well that's that really, isn't it.

We are all being told to pretend that men have become women.

Am I going to be deleted/banned for this post?

TokenBritPoshOfCourse Thu 14-Jun-18 11:45:56

‘Natal sex’

So, sex.

Humans can’t change sex.

The world has gone fucking mad.

farine Thu 14-Jun-18 11:48:12

Not trying to be goady, @katemumsnet but does this mean on pregnancy boards when people are asking posters to decipher baby scans as boy or girl we aren't allowed to anymore, as we can't mention boy or girl as natal sex? Or is that ok and it's only if someone has rejected the natal sex that we can't refer to it?

Sarahconnor1 Thu 14-Jun-18 11:48:26

How can any of these issues be discussed with any clarity if we can't used natal sex. This is madness.

Gileswithachainsaw Thu 14-Jun-18 11:50:49


So much that happens to women happens because of their sex.

How the fuck can we solve problems we can't use language to define angry

heresyandwitchcraft Thu 14-Jun-18 11:53:26

This is, quite frankly, insulting.

Sex is a fact, it's neutral and descriptive. It's not meant to offend anyone, but we need language to talk about these issues.

The denial of biological sex, and the silencing culture around being able to call a spade a spade (or a be-penised person a male!) it is a huge part of why we're in this mess in the first place.

Maryz Thu 14-Jun-18 11:54:19

I put it here because I think people might miss it buried deep (around 300 posts in) in the "Mumsnet moderation thread ... part 2" in Site Stuff.

I'm really disappointed that MN are colluding with the silencing of women whose only "crime" is to speak the truth.

I suspect we'll all be banned by next week.

Blostma Thu 14-Jun-18 11:54:44


Blostma Thu 14-Jun-18 11:55:15

That's not to you Maryz !!!

untoldstories Thu 14-Jun-18 11:57:33

Utter bloody nonsense.

Maryz Thu 14-Jun-18 11:58:00

That's ok Blostma.

Though I should warn you someone got deleted recently for posting biscuit - it's nearly as bad as "potato" or <yawn>, apparently confused

LangCleg Thu 14-Jun-18 11:58:19


ToeToToe Thu 14-Jun-18 11:58:34

Whaaaaat? KateMumsnet, that is ridiculous. Women can't refer to their natal sex on a parenting website? Have you taken leave of your senses??

reallybadidea Thu 14-Jun-18 11:59:53

Surely the term 'transwoman' hangs upon natal sex? Or perhaps trans woman is ok and transwoman isn't? It's all a bit confusing.

OvaHere Thu 14-Jun-18 12:00:40

So I can't say that I'm female?

Which I am.

<awaits being sent to the gulag for re-education>

ImagineBeing Thu 14-Jun-18 12:00:49

How can a site for women not allow free speech on biological facts?

Pregnancy, birth, the sex of a baby, menstruation, PCOS etc, menopause, female cancers and so forth can't be discussed on Mumsnet? confusedshock

This is a jokegrin it can't be real!

SpartacusVonWaitrose Thu 14-Jun-18 12:02:47

I have no words.

No really. I have no words.

OvaHere Thu 14-Jun-18 12:03:43

Surely the site name is transphobic in itself. Time for a rebrand?



LighthouseSouth Thu 14-Jun-18 12:04:35

must be an error
you couldn't talk about a trans person if statements based on natal sex aren't allowed

or perhaps that's the intention

but surely we can still say "I'm having a girl/boy"? how confusing.

JoanSummers Thu 14-Jun-18 12:04:36

Hey Mumsnet - What is a mum?

Pratchet Thu 14-Jun-18 12:06:28

To be fair I have never referred to natal sex. Happy to refer to someone's sex.

In times of universal deceit, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act.

To the barricades.

dolorsit Thu 14-Jun-18 12:09:23


It is a problem that these new moderation guidelines are not being published site wide.

Posts discussing women's rights appear elsewhere, for example in aibu.

If you are making clarifications then these also need to be publicised site wide not just buried in with 999 other posts.

MrPan Thu 14-Jun-18 12:09:47

Utterly fucking bonkers.

That doesn't "clarify (your) thinking". It just confirms just how many knots you have tied yourselves in, in order to not be seen to be offending the cohort of people who wish to crush womanhood.

ScarletBegonias Thu 14-Jun-18 12:10:21

I suspect KateMumsnet didn't mean her pronouncement quite the way it came out. Maybe she'll be back to clarify?

If that was what MSHQ meant, there seems little point in staying here.

dolorsit Thu 14-Jun-18 12:10:53

I would add that I only use the app so maybe this is not an issue on the website.

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