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Rational Wiki bizarre page on TERFs

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Wanderabout Fri 25-May-18 08:40:13

What is this site?

It has some very odd views:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Trans-exclusionary_radical_feminism

nauticant Fri 25-May-18 13:09:04

Just in case anyone is thinking about engaging with Rational Wiki over this page, bear in mind that wiki editors are notorious for being obsessive and so you might find yourself arguing with particularly obsessive TRAs. Who, additionally, might have very good IT skills.

I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

RadicalFern Fri 25-May-18 13:28:44

the testicles of objectivity

Well that's going straight into the phrasebook smile.

ReluctantCamper Fri 25-May-18 13:59:49

the testicles of objectivity

yeah, that one leapt out at me too <tucks it in back pocket>

LostLesbian380 Sun 27-May-18 08:04:02

There's a really disturbing part about SWERFs, and the last sentence seems like it's advocating doctors or the government providing sexual "care" to people who "need" it ?? Am I reading this wrong?

"Sex worker-exclusionary radical feminism (also known as SWERF) is yet another offshoot of feminism, one that opposes women's participation in pornography and prostitution. The term was coined to match that of TERF, as their memberships overlap.[28] Their ideology also overlaps as both subgroups follow a prescriptive, normative approach to feminism; i.e., telling women what to do — TERFs with their gender, and SWERFs with their sexuality.

SWERFs criticize the objectification and exploitation of women within pornography and the sex industry, as well as the violence and abuse that sex workers frequently suffer.[note 13]

SWERFs typically go completely overboard and dump on sex-workers who chose their profession freely, even in places where it is completely legal and safe, claiming that the sex workers are nothing more than deluded victims (and co-perpetrators) of human trafficking. Much like white supremacists might insist that adoption agencies helping children from the third world find parents in the west are nothing more than deluded extinctionists. This dogmatic hostility to voluntary sex work is known as whorephobia.[9]

Most feminists lie somewhere in the middle - that the issue is not that there are no women who engage in sex work without compromising their personal autonomy, but that such people are not representative of sex workers in general, and that such accounts can be misappropriated by others who have an interest in the ongoing subjugation of women. For these feminists, the issue is not that women should not have the right to voluntarily engage in prostitution, but that more needs to be done to prevent women being forced, manipulated or otherwise obliged to engage in prostitution, e.g. to take just one instance, by providing government funding for medical procedures that are sometimes otherwise funded by sex work."

FermatsTheorem Sun 27-May-18 08:51:47

That bit about SWERFs really comes straight from some crazy mirror universe, doesn't it? Up is down, left is right, right is wrong.

I wish I could take credit for "testicles of objectivity" but I stole it from someone on here so long ago I can't remember who.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel Sun 27-May-18 09:04:59

I think the last sentence is alluding to transwomen who sell sex to fund their sex change operations. It's making it all about the trans as usual.

Juells Sun 27-May-18 09:06:06

@FermatsTheorem

the testicles of objectivity

So good it deserves to be repeated 😅

StickyStuffRemover Sun 27-May-18 09:15:13

Countess - yes that was my reading also.

Of all the reasons a woman could be forced or manipulated into prostitution, that's the only one they feel strongly enough about to recommend action on.

Says it all, really.

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