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Is this really a feminist board?

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GaspingShark Mon 21-May-18 17:11:12

I am a crap feminist. I haven't read a single book on the subject. Not De Beauvoir, not Greer, not Butler. The reasons for that are to do with a disability that I'd rather not go into, but I am a woman with a brain, and the Republic of Ireland is having a referendum on repealing the 8th this week. There it is, look, thirty threads down. And this "Feminism and Women's Rights" board's primary concern seems to be "What it will really take the peak trans the world?"

So I'm asking you, because I genuinely, honestly, cross my heart and hope to die, believe you are all better read and/or have more experience and/or more knowledge of being a woman than I do.

Doesn't that bother you? Doesn't it bother you that, four days away from the repeal vote, there's one thread on that in the bottom third of a fifty-thread page, and two or three dozen trans-related threads covering everything from Amnesty International to Jordan Peterson to exactly what Munroe Bergdorf told Venice Allan? Does it give you any pause for thought?

saiya06 Mon 21-May-18 17:14:03

You're right but put your tin hat on because no other issue seems to matter. Even during Yewtree, mumsnet was more sympathetic than they are.

annandale Mon 21-May-18 17:14:31

Yes.

Not much help. I'll sign up to bumping the Repeal thread.

NotTerfNorCis Mon 21-May-18 17:18:30

Mumsnet is UK based. When British feminists wanted to go to Ireland earlier this year they had a letter aimed at them telling them to get lost. There was an anti-British tone to the letter. That might explain in part why the focus here isn't on the Irish abortion debate.

Sarahconnor1 Mon 21-May-18 17:18:58

Of course it gives me pause for thought. But to be honest I genuinely don't think there is much I can say that will sway the vote either way. If I recall there are women on this board who help women in Ireland access safe abortion.

TERFragetteCity Mon 21-May-18 17:23:08

So I'm asking you, because I genuinely, honestly, cross my heart and hope to die, believe you are all better read and/or have more experience and/or more knowledge of being a woman than I do.

Doesn't that bother you? Doesn't it bother you that, four days away from the repeal vote, there's one thread on that in the bottom third of a fifty-thread page, and two or three dozen trans-related threads covering everything from Amnesty International to Jordan Peterson to exactly what Munroe Bergdorf told Venice Allan? Does it give you any pause for thought?

You are free to post threads on what you think is a feminist issue. Instead of telling others off, why not do that?

Bombardier25966 Mon 21-May-18 17:23:37

It's the anti trans board, which is definitely not the same as feminism.

But the same old voices will shout down anyone daring to point this out, whilst failing to realise that they alienate so many that their discussions are pointless as they fail to take into account a range of reviews.

Leave 'em to it!

TERFragetteCity Mon 21-May-18 17:24:19

It's the anti trans board, which is definitely not the same as feminism.

But the same old voices will shout down anyone daring to point this out, whilst failing to realise that they alienate so many that their discussions are pointless as they fail to take into account a range of reviews.

You are free to post threads on what you think is a feminist issue. Instead of telling others off, why not do that?

BertrandRussell Mon 21-May-18 17:25:25

Yes, OP, it worries me very much indeed.

BertrandRussell Mon 21-May-18 17:26:47

"But the same old voices will shout down anyone daring to point this out"
How does this "shouting down" happen?

AssassinatedBeauty Mon 21-May-18 17:27:09

Please start threads on matters that are important or of interest to you, or post on existing threads. I'm tired of being chided by people that don't participate.

Regarding the Irish vote, from what I've seen it's been made very clear that opinions from uk feminists aren't wanted because we aren't aware of the background and details to the vote.

Wanderabout Mon 21-May-18 17:27:58

If you want to raise awareness of or support the repeal vote start a thread on that, rather than one about trans issues.

freezerfoodyum Mon 21-May-18 17:28:23

I am as terfy as they come but I agree with you OP.

GaspingShark Mon 21-May-18 17:29:24

You are free to post threads on what you think is a feminist issue. Instead of telling others off, why not do that?

Kinda just did. What constitutes a feminist issue and how much energy is devoted to it is itself a feminist issue.

thebewilderness Mon 21-May-18 17:29:26

This is the flip side of the ' if you are such feminists why aren't you women out there getting things done instead of wasting time on the internet'.

Branleuse Mon 21-May-18 17:29:57

its a massive issue. I really hope they sort out their abortion laws.

Not sure what we can do from the UK, but am definitely interested

Moonkissedlegs Mon 21-May-18 17:30:45

I do feel like whenever the Irish abortion issue has been raised on here, there has been a bit of a 'you UK feminists are so ignorant about the work that has been put in by irish feminists on this issue' and it's sometimes been a bit shut down? Like UK based feminists don't really have a right to comment on it? It's hard to know what to say on the issue to be honest.

Having said that, I am still surprised that it hasn't featured that heavily on this board this week of all weeks.

thebewilderness Mon 21-May-18 17:32:38

Mumsnet has been under attack by transgender advocates for weeks making goady posts about themselves to drive all other issues down the page.
How is it possible people have not noticed this?

TERFragetteCity Mon 21-May-18 17:34:33

Kinda just did. What constitutes a feminist issue and how much energy is devoted to it is itself a feminist issue.

No you did it to have a pop. Why do you feel the need to do that?

AssassinatedBeauty Mon 21-May-18 17:35:00

I would imagine that the vast majority of women posting here are supportive of the Irish vote and want to increase access to legal safe abortion for women in Ireland.

What about it should we all have been discussing, and why would you start a thread to chide other people rather than actually discuss an issue that you view as important to discuss?

LangCleg Mon 21-May-18 17:36:37

Mumsnet has been under attack by transgender advocates for weeks making goady posts about themselves to drive all other issues down the page. How is it possible people have not noticed this?

Because some people are also one note posters - they just like to pretend that they are not.

TransplantsArePlants Mon 21-May-18 17:36:57

Yes. It really bothers me.

And

Other things bother me too

Kaznet Mon 21-May-18 17:37:40

Here here. New to mumsnet and this whole trans thing has been a massive turn off. Nothing more than a bunch of schoolyard bullies imo

poopsqueak Mon 21-May-18 17:38:29

I agree OP. I feel other aspects of feminism are drowned out and shouted down on this board by a few loud voices.

I do read this board, but I try to read others as I find it quite unbalanced and unfriendly.

AssassinatedBeauty Mon 21-May-18 17:39:19

To all the posters complaining about the content of threads here, you are responsible as much as anyone else for not posting on topics that you think are important.

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