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Is it just me who hates the word "transphobic"?

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Pandoraphile Thu 26-Apr-18 15:49:51

Because it's bandied about and shouted from the rooftops every time a person dares to comment on a trans thread with anything other than dazzling praise? You know, with things like facts or biology.

Say anything that disagrees = transphobic.

Say anything that is biologically and factually true that they don't like = transphobic.

And never mind the utter bollocks I saw on another thread about using the wrong pronoun being violence hmm
I mean, WHERE does this shit come from???

SwearyGodPervert Thu 26-Apr-18 15:56:52

No it’s not just you. All transphobic people hate the word transphobic wink

Or rather, it’s so fucking lazy isn’t it? It seems that disagreeing with a trans identified person or ally is transphobic and it’s a word used to shut down debate. I tend to think most people who use it aren’t very bright.

LangCleg Thu 26-Apr-18 16:04:03

I don't give a single solitary shite about the word transphobic, I'm afraid. It's lost all meaning in common usage by activists and hence also any power it ever had over me.

These days, I see at as a synonym of all the other expletives indicative of narcissistic rage. Usually used immediately after a woman has said no. Same old same old.

Trousersdontmakemeaman Thu 26-Apr-18 16:05:05

Women's rights and child protection are about women and children.

LangCleg Thu 26-Apr-18 16:06:38

I used to bridle at the word bigot. But that's also been so overused I don't even register it these days.

MrsTerryPratchett Thu 26-Apr-18 16:10:05

I think it's used too much. But I also think it's inaccurate to describe what is (theoretically) being described. Surely transism would be more accurate.

Trousersdontmakemeaman Thu 26-Apr-18 16:11:42

Bizarrely, having been focused so much on making a living over the past ten years I didn't notice that people l had started to believe transing meant actually changing sex. I am still a bit discombobulated that people believe it! It's like believing the angel came down from heaven and put the baby Jesus in Mary's uterus! I guess people like magical thinking.

CATTinahat Thu 26-Apr-18 16:13:52

I find it depressing too Pandora. It and bigot. They’re used when anyone asks a question or gives a point to which there is no logical reply. It’s an insulting version of #nodebate.

I hope one day I can reach a LangCleg level of laidbackness.

Havoc Thu 26-Apr-18 16:15:16

Words and phrases like transphobic, bigot and "on the wrong side of history" indicate that the person is just parroting something they have heard, rather than really thought the issue through and made up their own minds.

AskBasil Thu 26-Apr-18 16:15:48

I dislike the word "phobic" or "phobia" being applied to anything indiscriminately in order to describe the phenomenon of someone not agreeing with someone else's views about the subject.

We could have "brexit-phobic" and "brexitphobes" or "Takethatphobic" or "Hollyoaksphobe".

It's simply unreasonable to ascribe a psychological fear to something because you don't agree with the views being expressed. A phobia is an unreasonable fear, isn't it? Phobia means something - it's not just a description of someone's views you don't agree with.

AskBasil Thu 26-Apr-18 16:16:57

But honestly, if I see someone described as a transphobe or a bigot nowadays, I just assume they're a sensible sort of person who hasn't realised they're supposed to pretend a whole load of old bollocks is true.

Trousersdontmakemeaman Thu 26-Apr-18 16:17:14

I love Magdalen Berns phrase, minds so open the brains fell out.

Trousersdontmakemeaman Thu 26-Apr-18 16:18:28

I'm arachnaphobic, trust me, I know what a phobia is!

LangCleg Thu 26-Apr-18 16:18:42

I hope one day I can reach a LangCleg level of laidbackness.

LOL! I wouldn't call it laidbackness. More self-preservation as I'd prefer to avoid a rage stroke if at all possible!

Rufustheconstantreindeer Thu 26-Apr-18 16:19:32

langcleg is so laid back shes virtually in a coma

Trousersdontmakemeaman Thu 26-Apr-18 16:21:19

Langcleg in a rage is a sight to behold.

PoulaFisch Thu 26-Apr-18 16:23:59

Maybe there are claims of transphobia, because here, there are conversations suggesting trans (a tiny, tiny minority) rights somehow trump women's rights, young butch lesbian identity's being erased, children are being sacrificed to appease the trans lobby, singling out individual trans people for fun and derision (justified or not is it necessary?), when murder is committed, multiple threads suggesting the perpetrator is trans or looks trans despite the fact they're plainly a woman, and basking in the 100 crimes committed by people who say they're trans videos etc...
I appreciate Self ID is contentious issue and many women may not like the idea due to privacy and safety concerns. I'm quite dubious myself about how it will be implemented. I thought the system as it is was imperfect but it works most of the time.
Why does a campaign against Self ID require so much demonization, derision, mocking and probing into trans identities if the issue is so cut and dry in the minds of the regular posters here? To the outsider it does seem like transphobia sadly.

PigeonStreet1 Thu 26-Apr-18 16:25:28

Disagreeing with trans ideology does not make you transphobic, in the same way disagreeing with feminist ideology doesn't make you a misogynist.

Juells Thu 26-Apr-18 16:26:22

I just assume they're a sensible sort of person who hasn't realised they're supposed to pretend a whole load of old bollocks is true.

😂

It's all part of the same nonsense that has men calling themselves Incels. Just a nutty lack of understanding that other people can say No. Women should have no entitlement to boundaries, identity, safe spaces, the right not to have sex with someone, the right to be rude to men if they want to...

LangCleg Thu 26-Apr-18 16:27:58

I think I've only had one downright temper tantrum rage stroke on here. I thought it was a thing of beauty but the mods disagreed. I do try to be sweetness and light, honest!

Rufustheconstantreindeer Thu 26-Apr-18 16:29:28

So do you like the phase or not poula

Its hard to tell

I prefer the term 'transism' as well...it makes more sense

Same as homoism

The phobic bit just doesn't seem to fit

Rufustheconstantreindeer Thu 26-Apr-18 16:30:27

I do try to be sweetness and light, honest!

Link or it didnt happen

<I've wanted to say that for ages>

LangCleg Thu 26-Apr-18 16:34:25

Link or it didnt happen

Web archive ate it.

Rufustheconstantreindeer Thu 26-Apr-18 16:36:47

Cha right!

Don't believe that for a second grin

CATTinahat Thu 26-Apr-18 16:40:19

But honestly, if I see someone described as a transphobe or a bigot nowadays, I just assume they're a sensible sort of person who hasn't realised they're supposed to pretend a whole load of old bollocks is true.

I love this Ask! Next time someone calls me one of those things on Twitter for objecting to self-ID, I shall regard it as a compliment!

grin

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