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Is feminism inherently sexist? Anybody for human rights anymore?

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cforte0 Thu 19-Apr-18 22:21:11

Feminism appears to only ever advocate for women's rights alone, even when we mention gender equality it is immediately presumed that it's an issue where women are in need of support and empowerment.
Is that not inherently sexist, solely focusing on the rights of only a subset of our species, why are we not advocating for human rights anymore?
There are at least 6 separate organisations where I work that advocate for gender equality and/or diversity and/or women's rights, and every one of them is focused on women's rights. Where I work females out perform and out number men, I don't understand how I'm suppose to be at an advantage because I'm a man, and there's not a single group I can go to for support as none of those groups are willing to offer me any of their services.
I'm all for human rights and consider myself an individualist where people should be awarded things on merit, but even when trying to pose questions in what should be a critical thinking environment I get branded a sexist and a misogynist. Without anyone acknowledging and critiquing my ideas, I'm personally attacked and disregarded, is that because I'm a man?

PleaseDontGoadTheToad Thu 19-Apr-18 22:22:55

What rights do men not have?

PleaseDontGoadTheToad Thu 19-Apr-18 22:23:52

I don't understand how I'm suppose to be at an advantage because I'm a man

Having privilege tends to do that to you.

Trousersdontmakemeaman Thu 19-Apr-18 22:24:29


ReluctantCamper Thu 19-Apr-18 22:24:35

of course you're a man

women are equal now ladies. can we wind this whole feminism thing up please and concentrate on cforte0's rights.

Chop chop.

BarrackerBarmer Thu 19-Apr-18 22:26:01

Feminism (not the fun kind) argues for the abolishment of gender.
So I suspect your understanding of feminism is somewhat mistaken.

Cancer research advocates for cancer patients and better cancer treatments.

The Donkey Sanctuary advocates for better treatment of donkeys.

Feminism is for the liberation of................................females from oppression.

There are lots of causes you can throw yourself into.

I personally don't spend much time asking the donkey sanctuary why they aren't working to save the rhino. You?

Trousersdontmakemeaman Thu 19-Apr-18 22:26:57

Is there no darts on the telly tonight?

SwearyGodPervert Thu 19-Apr-18 22:29:28

It makes a change to have a MRA plopper. All the recent ones have been TRA (I know they’re a subset of MRA but still).

You can’t see your advantage because you have privilege and refuse to acknowledge it. I suspect you’re attacked and disregarded because you’re a bit of a dick rather than because you’re a man.

UpstartCrow Thu 19-Apr-18 22:30:09

''Feminism appears to only ever advocate for women's rights alone''

Yes, its the definition.
It doesn't stop feminists also starting or supporting other campaigns, such as Jessica Eaton setting up a centre for men's mental health.

Women have to campaign for rights and services, because the ones we need are usually invisible to men, or considered a moral issue. If we don't demand and fund them, them we don't get them.

FissionChips Thu 19-Apr-18 22:31:42

Blah blah blah...this thread has been done a thousand times, try engaging your brain and researching a little.

ReluctantCamper Thu 19-Apr-18 22:31:53

and yeah, like, literally no-one is for human rights anymore. it's all about women's rights. Fucking tiresome amirite?

Greymisty Thu 19-Apr-18 22:32:59

It's not because you are a man it's because you are an ignorant person.

Doofenschmirtz Thu 19-Apr-18 22:34:41

"there's not a single group I can go to for support as none of those groups are willing to offer me any of their services."

Maybe you could go and set one up yourself?

Or were you perhaps expecting women to do that for you?

birdsdestiny Thu 19-Apr-18 22:37:12

Feeling a bit sorry for the rhinos now. Bastard donkeys.

futuresupergran Thu 19-Apr-18 22:37:21

looks like we got an over-privileged whiny manchild wondering why the underdogs aren't helping him become even more privileged.

fancy a biscuit, man? biscuit

futuresupergran Thu 19-Apr-18 22:38:28

TRA, MRA same thing. Just whiny men in different flavours

ReluctantCamper Thu 19-Apr-18 22:40:27

Feeling a bit sorry for the rhinos now. Bastard donkeys.

Yeah. You spend your life with a massive fucking horn between your eyes and then some other bastard gets all the space in the sanctuary just because their great-great-great grandad once gave Jesus a lift or some shit.

PleaseDontGoadTheToad Thu 19-Apr-18 22:40:42

What kind of support group were you after OP?

Support groups and services for women exist purely because women campaigned for them and opened them.

There's nothing stopping you or any other man from doing the same. IMO men who want specific services for men should be looking at those for women and using them as motivation. Not knocking them because you feel men should have the same.

CelticSelkie Thu 19-Apr-18 22:41:27

Such a willfully blind view point.

Of course we need feminism. But you can call it masculinism if you like. It's all about equality so by all means think of it as masculinism. But masculinism would need to create a world where women aren't paying the price for maintaining the population.

PleaseDontGoadTheToad Thu 19-Apr-18 22:42:03

However I'm still unclear as to what rights men don't have.

Greymisty Thu 19-Apr-18 22:43:01

See Birds here above is feeling for the rhinos and I'm here cheering for donkeys and platypus and the humble goldfish and rabbits.

In essence I quite like animals.

You could say i support animal rights.

Goldfish however are not endangered yet rhinos are... who requires my support? hmm


Ellenripleysalienbaby Thu 19-Apr-18 22:43:53

'When all you have ever known is privilege, equality feels like oppression'.

Hope that helps.

CelticSelkie Thu 19-Apr-18 22:44:36

ps, I'll bite.

Your idea seems to be that we should ignore the fact that it is women who need these groups. Women face so many obstacles to get to the same place men get to without obstacles. I can list these many obstacles if you like. You want to ignore the fact that society doesn't protect women from being disadvantaged and you want the help that is available to be given equally to men.

Trousersdontmakemeaman Thu 19-Apr-18 22:44:55

CelticSelkie Thu 19-Apr-18 22:45:12

'When all you have ever known is privilege, equality feels like oppression'.

This. wine So true.

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