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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Invited to talk at the House of Lords

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Kikashi · 27/02/2018 16:32

Sorry only MSM link I could find:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5440153/Trans-convict-invited-speak-House-Lords.html

Karen Jones killed her boyfriend (when Karen was still a man) and wrapped his body in sheets and a duvet. It went undiscovered for 3 weeks. The body was so decomposed that the cause of death could not be established so Jones was convicted of manslaughter and released after 2 and half years in prison. A big part of her defense was that she was confused and distressed by her sexuality and gender (thus leading you to kill - as you do). Shortly after release Jones went to a trans clothes shop and took the shop assistant hostage, stuck a lemon in her mouth and violently assaulted her and tried to rape her. Jones only stopped when she failed to become aroused with her "female penis". Jones claimed she was driven to commit the crime to be put back in prison in order to get the gender reassignment surgery she needed. She was given an indeterminate sentence but was released after several years.

Jones has now been invited to talk to the House of Lords about how life can be made easier and better for transgender prisoners. Apparently the peer who invited her believes Jones debt to society has been paid. Words fail.

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Thisusernamethingistricky · 27/02/2018 16:35

Wha?!

Mywifenow · 27/02/2018 16:37

Wtf

acornsandnuts · 27/02/2018 16:37

FFS.

IAmALionTamer · 27/02/2018 16:38

I’ve just read about this on Twitter & came straight to Mumsnet to see if a thread had been started on this.
I’m utterly fucking dismayed at this. Where has common sense gone!!

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 27/02/2018 16:38

What is it that we can see and they can not/will not?

BiologyMatters · 27/02/2018 16:38

What the fucking fuck?

ajandjjmum · 27/02/2018 16:42

The whole world has gone mad.

MyBrilliantDisguise · 27/02/2018 16:43

So this person murdered one man and raped a woman but is now going to the House of Lords (which has to be considered an honour) to talk about how the life of trans-sexuals in prison can be improved?

How can he identify as a woman yet rape a woman? Surely to identify as a woman you'd know that rape was one of the worst things that could happen to you?

Thinking about it, how transwomen aren't vigilantes, beating the fuck out of rapists everywhere?

TERFousBreakdown · 27/02/2018 16:47

WTAF?

This individual committed a crime ON PURPOSE and with the explicit goal of getting gender reassignment surgery and parliament is rewarding this by hearing them?

Way to incentivise, dear Lords!

MyBrilliantDisguise · 27/02/2018 16:50

Five days after being released early on licence in 2002, Jones brutally assaulted a female shop assistant after gagging her mouth with a lemon and trying to rape her. She was sentenced to life in prison.

She said the attack was as a cry for help so that she could go back to prison and have the sex change operation she had needed all her life.

That is just the biggest load of crap. If this person wanted to return to prison they could've done any number of things that wouldn't have hurt anyone. And to hurt someone in such a way - that shows they have no concept of what it's like to be a woman.

And why the hell should it be easier to get a sex change in prison? Is that actually the case? It's hard to believe!

WiseOldHag · 27/02/2018 16:51

Further down the rabbit hole.

MrsExpo · 27/02/2018 16:51

OMG, utterly appalled ..... words fail me.

TERFousBreakdown · 27/02/2018 16:54

She said the attack was as a cry for help so that she could go back to prison and have the sex change operation she had needed all her life.

There are things I need, too! Whom shall I assault?

rb67 · 27/02/2018 17:24

I can't see a problem with someone convicted of a serious crime being invited to the House of Lords. People change and all that. But .....if you were to do a snap risk assessment of this person you would seriously question their insight and empathy.

Room101isWhereIUsedtoLive · 27/02/2018 17:27

What the actual fuck?
I am actually now scared.

shehimthey · 27/02/2018 17:28

Absolutely appalling. Is the struggle of 'being born in the wrong body' a get out of jail card? She viciously assaulted and tried to rape that woman in a most horrific way and only didn't succeed because she couldn't get a hard on. But that was only because she was struggling because, y'know, she really was/is and actual woman herself.

And now I've just read that Munro Bergdorf is going to be Labour's LGBT advisor - holy fuck! No one gives a damn about women do they?

Kikashi · 27/02/2018 17:30

This article from the Manchester Evening News explains that Lawson/Jones killed her boyfriend as he reneged on a deal to pay for GR surgery and had been taunted as a teen by his dad and forced to have tattoos of women inked on his body.
Lawson/Jones had been staying in a Women's bail hostel after release from prison on manslaughter despite having had no surgery.
Why? At this stage he had not had GR surgery.

Supposedly the attempted rape was a cry for help as she had been given no help with her issues by the authorities.Jones was given a life sentence under the two strikes rule in 2004 but this was reduced on Appeal to a minimum tarriff of 3 and half years. In 2007 the parole board decided not to release her as she was considered too dangerous but I'm not sure when she was released. Jones did have GR surgery and was declared a woman on her birth certificate in 2006 under the GRA (2004) and applied to be moved to a womens prison- not sure if she was.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/jail-for-rape-bid-by-sex-change-man-1150286

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Kikashi · 27/02/2018 17:51

They were moved to a womens prison (before full surgery I think)
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6138325/Transsexual-prisoner-wins-right-to-be-in-female-prison.html

There is another thread about this with more traffic in AIBU

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 27/02/2018 17:55

WTAF?! I'm sorry, I'm too incoherent to say anything

Room101isWhereIUsedtoLive · 27/02/2018 18:21

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/million-women-rise-march-and-rally-tickets-43540807728
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theaveragewife · 27/02/2018 18:33

Room101 does their definition of women include TRAs?

shehimthey · 27/02/2018 18:40

Of course it will include TRAs - it's par for the course now.

theaveragewife · 27/02/2018 18:46

Really? shame, I thought the ‘this event is for women and girls only’ seemed promising.

Room101isWhereIUsedtoLive · 27/02/2018 18:47

I am planning on making a placard this weekend that is covered in rapists who now want to identify as women.
If enough people do something along those lines then a point will be made...

Lettucepray · 27/02/2018 19:31

We need to email Lord Patel on mass.....it's a fucking disgrace!

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