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Feminism: Sex & gender discussions

Trans woman falsely alleges rape...

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QuentinSummers · 20/02/2018 20:37

Seemingly with the aim of getting moved to women's prison.
www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/transgender-woman-jasmine-hill-jailed-1239904
I'm so angry about this. Thanks for giving misogynists evidence that "women make it up".
Add it to "women rape", "women abuse children" etc.

And we aren't supposed to get annoyed about crimes being recorded under offenders gender identity rather than sex.

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TheXXFactor · 20/02/2018 20:57

LOL at the headline though - apparently Queer Theory hasn't yet crossed the Tamar

(And, no, I don't think that all/most trans people are perverts. But this one clearly is and it's good to see it acknowledged)

QueenLaBeefah · 20/02/2018 21:11

I'd be extremely surprised if this charming individual is a genuine transsexual which, again, illustrates that self id is such a bad idea.

rb67 · 20/02/2018 21:12

Most people won't know what a "transgender woman" means (because it a meaningless) and seeing a female name following will probably assume he is a woman.
Presumably when this person is convicted of yet another offence he will fight for (and others will fight on his behalf) the right to be in a women's prison.

CapnHaddock · 20/02/2018 21:16

I don't know what a 'genuine transsexual' is any more - and neither do the prison system, NHS, education or the media. Despite the fact that we don't have self ID in the UK, 99% of public institutions act like we have.

Juzza12 · 20/02/2018 21:38

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rb67 · 20/02/2018 21:39

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-london-43127415?twitterimpression=true

was on another thread.
absolutely fucking ridiculous!

If this had been a woman would probably have been sent down.

Thisusernamethingistricky · 20/02/2018 21:50

LOL at the headline though - apparently Queer Theory hasn't yet crossed the Tamar

I thought exactly the same when I read the headline - no fucks given by Cornwall Live!

BarrackerBarmer · 20/02/2018 21:51

I think it's time to knock on the head the idea that there are 'genuine transwomen' and 'fake transwomen'

There really is no tangible difference between a man who says he's a woman (and believes his own words)
and a man who says he's a woman (and doesn't believe his own words)

They're both men. They're both not women, despite what they say.

buckeejit · 20/02/2018 21:52

Juzzah-that is awful. I'm agog.

rb67 · 20/02/2018 21:57

LOL at the headline though - apparently Queer Theory hasn't yet crossed the Tamar

I thought exactly the same when I read the headline - no fucks given by Cornwall Live

I didn't notice that at all, and don't know what you mean tbh. Just goes to show that half the battle is the language. People don't question it as they don't know wtf it means.

I had to sit through a lecture on queer theory as part of a degree. It was like o'level sociology that I had done at school 20 years previously. It was as part of a professional degree, we nearly complained as it was so pointless and childish. Looking back on it we should have done.

OlennasWimple · 20/02/2018 21:59

TBF "pervert" is a pretty good descriptor in this case. He isn't in prison for not paying his council tax, but for a string of sex offences against children.

I wonder how many TRAs will be supporting his struggles and signing petitions for a move to a women's prison? Or is this (another) case to be swept to one side with a "not a real transwoman" dismissal?

Mogleflop · 20/02/2018 22:05

I love that headline.

It's scary that men like this are twisting official statistics and stories. Genuinely scary.

thebewilderness · 20/02/2018 22:09

The corporate media show themselves to be propagandists when they report a male sex offender as a woman.

AngryAttackKittens · 20/02/2018 22:12

So he has a personality disorder, tells lies, and feels no guilt for doing so. But this is nothing to do with the behavior of some of the most prominent online trans activists, right?

Juzza12 · 20/02/2018 22:36

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Norfolklassie · 21/02/2018 00:07

Including Transwomen as women for crime statistics is what sent me into peak trans. “Big increase in violence and sex crimes by women” the headlines screamed.... on further investigation most of the perpetrators were actually men who identified as women, and were included i the statistics as women.

As they say.... there’s lies, damned lies and statistics!

Ouchbirthhurted · 21/02/2018 00:26

Norfolk was this headline already reported somewhere or are you just predicting it for the future?

QuentinSummers · 21/02/2018 07:32

Could be this gem
//www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/truth-female-sex-offenders/amp/

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Norfolklassie · 21/02/2018 08:01

I’ve got to go to work so not much Time to find info. It’s really difficult to find anything online which shows trans are included in female statistics - but there is a strong correlation between self identification and the rise in numbers of violent or sex crimes by women.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6402187/Violent-crime-by-women-on-the-increase.html
www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/truth-female-sex-offenders/
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/up-to-half-of-trans-inmates-may-be-sex-offenders-26rz2crhs

Norfolklassie · 21/02/2018 08:04

@QuentinSummers for sure, I read that incredulously - that article is a true example of the emperors new clothes!

Norfolklassie · 21/02/2018 08:13

Latest sex crime by a woman...
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-posed-teenage-girl-facebook-9759228

Same article.... Cornwall obviously not caught up on political correctness yet
www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/transgender-woman-jasmine-hill-jailed-1239904

Somethingweird · 21/02/2018 08:13

We can't know whether the rise is because actual biological women are committing more violent crime, or whether violent crimes by trans-identifying men are bumping the numbers up. Because the latter have to be recorded as committed by women.

Also from that article:

Perpetrator has violent abusive childhood - commits sexual crimes against minors - has a personality disorder - identifies as trans. Surely the prison psychiatrists aren't just nodding sagely and agreeing that he is simply finding his authentic self?

LangCleg · 21/02/2018 08:45

If you want to see the vast differences in offending patterns between the sexes, full data for 2015 is here:

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/women-and-the-criminal-justice-system-statistics-2015

Various of the downloads include totals for convictions etc. You can then compare these against reports on the Trans Crime website to see how distorted inclusion of TIMs makes them.

I did see a similar analysis on 2016 figures somewhere but I can't find it now. But I'm pretty sure I recall there being 4 women convicted of attempted murder and 2 of them were TIMs, and 6 women convicted of possession of the most extreme category of porn and 2 of them were TIMs.

Datun · 21/02/2018 09:58

Given that there are 10,000 to 14,000 men in prison for sex offences and 120 women, any man recorded as a woman is going to start skewing the statistics almost immediately.

Two men will show over a ten percent increase.

It's so dangerous and ludicrous.

Datun · 21/02/2018 09:59

Sorry one percent!

But, I think we've seen enough, already, to provide a 10% increase.

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