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The age of the sex dolls

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cinematique Tue 20-Feb-18 11:10:43

Someone sent me a link to this 'sex doll brothel' in Glasgow; I thought it was an isolated phenomenon but apparently there's more cropping up, in Paris also of all places! They are very expensive and look a lot more realistic than those plastic dolls with a hole for a mouth!
I don't know whether to be relieved that someone will shag a doll instead of treating a woman as such, or despair at the state of societal disfunction...
www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/uks-first-sex-doll-brothel-14274617

Patodp Tue 20-Feb-18 11:32:59

I'd MUCH rather they were snagging dolls than real people.

People will try making money out of anything. I sort of think here, the blokes are being exploited for paying for something so tragic. Rather than real women being exploited for men's pleasure.

Once we have realistic virtual reality porn, I fully expect places will crop up providing "the best full immersion virtual sex experience with the hottest holograms"....

Then all these pathetic men can go shack up with a doll/hologram and leave us alone.

Patodp Tue 20-Feb-18 11:34:42

Realistically though, users of sex dolls are likely also users of prostitutes, they're just doing dolls too for the "variety".

Patodp Tue 20-Feb-18 11:35:09

*shagging not snagging.

thedancingbear Tue 20-Feb-18 11:48:24

Then all these pathetic men can go shack up with a doll/hologram and leave us alone.

What makes them' pathetic', Patodp? Genuine question.

OldmanOfTheWeb Tue 20-Feb-18 11:49:52

There was a brothel in Germany I read of that bought one and found it so successful that they've invested in another.

I think it's a mix of guys who want to say or do things that they wouldn't feel able to with a real woman; and men who are shy or intimidated to have sex with a real woman. And maybe a contingent who just like the novelty or find it attractive.

UpstartCrow Tue 20-Feb-18 11:50:38

If they just wanted an orgasm they could use their imagination and their hand for free.

BarrackerBarmer Tue 20-Feb-18 12:02:01

I suspect it will not have the effect of letting men leave us alone but rather the opposite.

Porn has enabled violence and abusive practices to become mainstream. We haven't created a generation of men who are more respectful of women thanks to them indulging their darkest instincts in porn, but less instead.

If a man has a burning desire to do something unacceptably inhumane to another human, acting this impulse out on an inanimate object is probably going to strengthen his association of the actual humans with inanimate objects, and it further makes him more accomplished in the practice of inhumanity.

cinematique Tue 20-Feb-18 12:04:13

I think the company that makes these dolls (around £2K each) is planning to make them as proper robots who will 'react' and orgasm when rubbervaginally-prompted grin

UpstartCrow Tue 20-Feb-18 12:06:48

BarrackerBarmer Well exactly. The existence of prostitutes and sex dolls does not prevent rape. That's one reason why underage dolls and CGI images of child abuse are illegal, and they aren't given to pedophiles to prevent offending.

deydododatdodontdeydo Tue 20-Feb-18 12:19:41

I think it's a mix of guys who want to say or do things that they wouldn't feel able to with a real woman; and men who are shy or intimidated to have sex with a real woman. And maybe a contingent who just like the novelty or find it attractive.

And maybe some who don't feel comfortable paying for consent/abusing/raping with a woman, who are happier to do it with an inanimate object hmm
Sarcasm, I don't think that's likely. Although maybe the ones who are happy to do those things will continue, and it'll just create a new market for guys who wouldn't otherwise use prostitutes?

OldmanOfTheWeb Tue 20-Feb-18 14:24:15

The existence of prostitutes and sex dolls does not prevent rape.

Actually there is evidence that it does.

Our results suggest the magnitude of the negative effect of the establishments is larger at night. Since it is also at night when the majority of the indoor prostitution establishments are open and the demand for the services they provide is higher, the results suggest that potential sex offenders prefer to use the services offered by these establishments rather than committing sex crimes. Furthermore, these results suggest that sex crimes and indoor prostitution are substitutes.

www.micaelasviatschi.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/sex_crimeNYC.pdf

pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/pol.20150299

www.nber.org/papers/w20281.pdf

TheGoldenBough Tue 20-Feb-18 14:32:54

What makes them' pathetic', Patodp? Genuine question.

Well I can't speak for Patodp, obviously, but I can't imagine ever wanting to have sex with a male sex doll robot thing. It wouldn't matter how physically attractive it was, how much it resembled my 'perfect man', I couldn't be attracted to it, or turned on by it. And I couldn't demean myself enough to talk to it or pretend it was real. And I think I'm worth more than pretending a robot is into me.

I can't imagine the level of self-delusion required to get turned on by a 'reaction' from a robot.

I think if you had such a low expectation of your own interaction with others that would be pretty pathetic.

UpstartCrow Tue 20-Feb-18 14:44:41

OldmanOfTheWeb
That statement just explains why so many prostitutes have PTSD, and some mens attitude towards prostitutes.

OlennasWimple Tue 20-Feb-18 14:55:49

It's interesting that female sex toys are dildos or vibrators, but male sex toys are facsimile women with multiple holes for penetrating

deydododatdodontdeydo Tue 20-Feb-18 15:17:33

You haven't seen the "fleshlight" things then Olennas?

OldmanOfTheWeb Tue 20-Feb-18 15:20:05

That statement just explains why so many prostitutes have PTSD, and some mens attitude towards prostitutes.

Well yes. I'm not saying prostitution is a good or healthy life. I'm saying that studies show men who would sexually assault will in many cases go to prostitutes instead when available. The statement was made that prostitution doesn't reduce rape but it appears that it does. There's a maxim some put about that rape isn't about sex but about power. Sometimes that's true but in cases where it isn't, people will sometimes be satisfied with prostitution instead. One of the studies (the Dutch one) showed a reduction of 30-40% in sexual abuse and rape.

None of that is saying prostitutes have a happy life.

UpstartCrow Tue 20-Feb-18 15:23:48

I said prostitution does not prevent rape.

BrandNewHouse Tue 20-Feb-18 15:32:41

What makes them' pathetic', Patodp? Genuine question.

Their personalities. No-one wants to raise a child that is incapable of forming a relationship with a sentient human being. Their actions show they want someTHING that looks like a woman, but literally hasn’t got two brain cells to rub together.

Give us a laugh and defend the indefensible.

caroldecker Tue 20-Feb-18 15:38:10

How is a sex doll different from a vibrator?

thedancingbear Tue 20-Feb-18 15:48:03

So to summarise, BrandNewHouse, we should point and laugh at men who for whatever reason (physical appearance, social skills, disability) find it difficult to find a sexual partner?

That's pretty hateful to be honest.

TheButterflyOfTheStorms Tue 20-Feb-18 15:48:31

I'm not saying prostitution is a good or healthy life. I'm saying that studies show men who would sexually assault will in many cases go to prostitutes instead when available.

Some scientists are now saying prostitutes are actual, live, human women. shock I know, right? I have spoken to/worked with loads of working women and the stuff they have to deal with is sickening and frequent. Sex work doesn't stop rape and sexual assault, it just transfers it onto a small, vulnerable and less powerful subsection of women.

AssassinatedBeauty Tue 20-Feb-18 15:50:01

I think it's quite off to suggest that men who can't find a partner due to disability, physical appearance or lack of social skills will be the ones who inevitably will want to use these sex dolls.

TheButterflyOfTheStorms Tue 20-Feb-18 15:50:44

we should point and laugh at men who for whatever reason (physical appearance, social skills, disability) find it difficult to find a sexual partner?

Women who can't find a sexual partner (or one who isn't an utter arsehole) get laughed at. And then ignored. There's not a massive, multi-billion pound industry set up for their pleasure.

thedancingbear Tue 20-Feb-18 15:52:54

I was giving examples of why someone may be 'incapable of forming a [sexual] relationship with a sentient human being', which a poster upthread explained was the category of people who would use these dolls.

I do think many of the people who would use these dolls would fall into these categories. Obviously far from all. Why is the suggestion 'off'?

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