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what thread was talking about that new trans in schools booket

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Branleuse Sun 18-Feb-18 10:42:03

the one that all the TRA were losing their shit over. Im trying to find the thread. I can find the PDF of the leaflet, but i cant find the discussion about it

OvaHere Sun 18-Feb-18 10:42:54

Branleuse Sun 18-Feb-18 10:52:30

thanks, i found that one, but i think there was another one with an article discussing it that I really want to show my friend and now i cant find it. Will keep looking, thanks x

Branleuse Sun 18-Feb-18 10:54:00

ahh ive found it, it wsnt on here, it was on a friends facebook

AstraiaLiberty Sun 18-Feb-18 15:11:48

Where did the thread about Lily Madigan's hounding of a Labour candidate who shared the resource pack go? I can't find it.

OrderOnline Sun 18-Feb-18 15:13:42

LM thread deleted because of misgendering and PA about LM appearance.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g Sun 18-Feb-18 15:13:42


Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g Sun 18-Feb-18 15:14:58

'Message from MNHQ: Afternoon all and thanks for the reports.

Just to explain, we always delete posts which are intended to inflame or provoke because they break Talk Guidelines. Prompted by the reports, we've had a look here and that does seem to be the case in the thread title, OP and many subsequent posts.

We know this is a subject many MNers feel passionately about. So please do feel free to discuss the situation in a separate thread if you're able to do so without breaking Talk Guidelines.'

AstraiaLiberty Sun 18-Feb-18 15:16:57

Ah - thanks for telling me!

(Although seriously, misgendering? I agree that comments on LM's appearance are unfair, but material reality still exists hmm )

OrderOnline Sun 18-Feb-18 15:23:46

There were comments about imperfections of LM skin.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g Sun 18-Feb-18 15:34:40

That's a pity. I come from a family of acne sufferers and it makes my blood boil to see anyone mocked for having bad skin.

Fekko Sun 18-Feb-18 15:36:33

I only saw someone dissing lils frock. I’ve got one like that (been wearing them for years).

OrderOnline Sun 18-Feb-18 15:36:35

There was also a Michael Finnegan rehash. If this is stopped, it looks like we can talk again.

Everyonematters Sun 18-Feb-18 15:37:54

Personal attacks like remarks about skin are wrong.

marfisa Sun 18-Feb-18 15:43:25

Deliberate misgendering is also wrong

OvaHere Sun 18-Feb-18 15:50:58

Deliberate misgendering is also wrong

But calling women cis, who reject the label and find it offensive is just fine I suppose?

OrderOnline Sun 18-Feb-18 15:51:13

Forcing people to believe your religion is wrong. I don't believe in Transology, like I don't believe in a flat earth. Each to their own.

BarrackerBarmer Sun 18-Feb-18 15:55:18

'misgendering is always wrong'
I disagree.

accusing a person who doesn't believe in gender of misgendering is akin to accusing an atheist of 'misworshipping'.

I can allow that certain people do believe in an inner gender (that is never actually defined), but I don't, and so I won't be compelled to use incorrect sex pronouns which contradict my own belief.

I'll use the correct pronouns for a person's sex. I won't pretend to acknowledge a mythical gender as if I give it credence, any more than I would pretend to worship a god I don't believe in.

busyboysmum Sun 18-Feb-18 15:59:47

We need a thread about this to be honest because I am really uncomfortable with forcing people to say things that they know to be untrue. I find this a really sinister part of this whole movement.

DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus Sun 18-Feb-18 16:01:30

Asking people to respect your gender is like demanding people call you sir, or doctor. You cannot dictate language that other people use to describe reality, it's oppressive bollocks.

Elendon Sun 18-Feb-18 16:04:34

I hate personal attacks on anyone, especially regarding their looks that includes those suffering from acne and those who don't conform to 'feminine stereotypes'

Regarding the booklet, can someone please quote me where conversion therapy was advocated?

OvaHere Sun 18-Feb-18 16:05:40

It wasn't Elendon

Lily misread conversation therapy i.e counselling

SteelyPip Sun 18-Feb-18 16:05:43

I agree.

I don't believe that 'misgendering' someone could be an offence, because it relies on one person accepting another person's subjective reality without any corroborating material facts. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't sex the protected characteristic, not gender.

SteelyPip Sun 18-Feb-18 16:06:19

The above was @busyboysmum

Weezol Sun 18-Feb-18 16:06:32

I am no fan of LM, have huge concerns about GRA and am a gender critical feminist, however that thread descended into some seriously nasty stuff. I didn't report it, but the songs and rhymes were unpleasant to put it mildly, as were the comments of appearance.

It played right into the TRA's hands. Expect to see screenshots being used across social media soon.

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