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Woman in MH crisis threatened with prison for being an inconvenience. WTF?

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Sarahjconnor Sat 17-Feb-18 16:03:34

WTF? Seriously? How is did this happen.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/former-footballer-tormented-illness-threatened-12040404

AssassinatedBeauty Sat 17-Feb-18 16:09:15

This is insane. I guess it's the dreadful state of mental health provision and the NHS in general which means she's being left to try and handle her condition without support. Poor woman.

Sarahjconnor Sat 17-Feb-18 16:14:35

I feel in shock reading this. This could be any of us, this could happen to anyone. Poor woman. I feel like the walls are closing in sad

WhatWouldLeslieKnopeDo Sat 17-Feb-18 16:16:00

That's awful. And just encourages the view that some people have of suicide being "selfish". Poor woman. I hope she will get some support.

mamaryllis Sat 17-Feb-18 16:16:04

Why on earth was she allowed to walk out of the hospital twice? She should have been in a closed ward with psych support. The fact that she was actually in hospital at the time, was returned to the hospital after the first attempt, and still walked out the next day to try again is so very sad.

RedToothBrush Sat 17-Feb-18 16:17:41

I thought suicide and attempting suicide was decriminalised.

AssassinatedBeauty Sat 17-Feb-18 16:19:52

Do many people get charged with a breach of the peace for attempting suicide? It seems she's being punished for causing an inconvenience to the police.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain Sat 17-Feb-18 16:26:09

MH services have been cut to the point of non-existence in many parts of the country. I suppose turning being unwell into a criminal offence is the logical next step of the austerity program.

MasterWu Sat 17-Feb-18 16:39:53

It seems she's being punished for causing an inconvenience to the police.

Major Roads had to be closed. She's being threatened with being punished for being an inconvenience to the public, the courts aren't going to give a shit about inconvenience to the police.

HarveyKietelRabbit Sat 17-Feb-18 16:40:53

She was on a MH ward though when she left and went to the bridge wasn't she? I don't know if the Scottish MHA differs but in England, for her to be detained in hospital and not be able to leave, she'd have to be sectioned under the MHA and for that, you have to meet particularly criteria.

It might be that they don't have the grounds to detain her in psychiatric hospital.

AssassinatedBeauty Sat 17-Feb-18 16:46:34

So what if major roads had to be closed? She's having a health crisis, not being criminal.

phlewf Sat 17-Feb-18 16:53:43

This woman could not be more obviously in need of help. I’m not far from her and the gp told me I could have a months anti depressants (the kind that take 6 eeeks to work) and that there was no other help available. I thanked him for his honesty but I’m so grateful I’m on the edge and not all the way over the abyss. It’s baffling that the Sheriff thinks his reponse was appropriate. What happens if next time she takes herself somewhere less inconvenient, will he bear the guilt of that?

redexpat Sat 17-Feb-18 16:59:02

I used to work in a mens prison. Will never forget the one inmate who made a nuisance of himself until he got put away because he knew he would get better and faster mh treatment inside than out. He was such a nice guy.

HarveyKietelRabbit Sat 17-Feb-18 17:02:22

redexpat - you must have worked in a much better prison than the ones I have if he'd get better and faster MH treatment inside. In the ones I've worked in it is woefully awful (if not downright neglectful and abusive) and if you're suicidal you usually get shoved into seg.

OldBlueStitches Sat 17-Feb-18 17:03:59

So next time she either has to succeed or not "inconvenience" the public.

Bet her life feels worth living now.

MasterWu Sat 17-Feb-18 17:52:26

So what if major roads had to be closed? She's having a health crisis, not being criminal.

The two aren't exclusive. She's costing x amount every time she closes a major road. That's going to piss off the powers that be

AssassinatedBeauty Sat 17-Feb-18 17:56:16

I'm sure it does piss them off. Not sure if that means you think they should prosecute her for inconveniencing the authorities?

TallulahWaitingInTheRain Sat 17-Feb-18 17:59:46

She's costing x amount every time she closes a major road

Fair enough. How about people with serious physical health conditions - they can be pretty expensive as well. Shall we arrest them for being a public nuisance too?

MasterWu Sat 17-Feb-18 18:21:17

Assasinated

From the article (my italics)
"Sheriff Craig McSherry admonished Macfarlane but said if she continued to pose a risk of further offending, a custodial sentence may be necessary.

He added: “A custodial sentence would at least mean the public are not being inconvenienced in this way.”

Where does it mention inconvenienceing the authorities?

Fair enough. How about people with serious physical health conditions - they can be pretty expensive as well. Shall we arrest them for being a public nuisance too?

Well if they're on top of bridges causing issues for other people, sure.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain Sat 17-Feb-18 18:24:46

Well if they're on top of bridges causing issues for other people, sure

The appropriate comparison would be e.g. someone closing a road by inconveniently collapsing in the middle of it because they hadn't been able to access adequate healthcare.

AssassinatedBeauty Sat 17-Feb-18 18:26:15

Why does it matter that the public are inconvenienced by a health crisis? Why does that make it a criminal issue that should result in prison?

AssassinatedBeauty Sat 17-Feb-18 18:27:54

Also, you talked about "the powers that be" which I interpreted as the authorities. I assumed you meant that it was inconveniencing the authorities, and not just the public. I'm still not sure if you agree that she should be prosecuted and imprisoned if it happens again?

TallulahWaitingInTheRain Sat 17-Feb-18 18:27:54

How about marathon runners? They're pretty inconvenient. Custodial sentences for the lot of them?

MasterWu Sat 17-Feb-18 18:30:55

The appropriate comparison would be e.g. someone closing a road by inconveniently collapsing in the middle of it because they hadn't been able to access adequate healthcare

Well more accurately still would be if that person was in a hospital designed specifically for people with collapsing illnesses, ignored advice from specialist collapsing doctors, walked out into the middle of the road for the second time in as many days and collapsed in the same spot. Then yes, if they had broken a law they should be arrested and charged.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain Sat 17-Feb-18 18:37:39

'Ignored advice' to not commit suicide? Forgive me but I don't think you understand very much about mental illness MasterWu

If she needed to be restrained for her own or others' safety, she should have been admitted to hospital under section, not arrested and threatened with prosecution. This is a story about totally inadequate mental health provision.

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