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Jeremy Corbyn doing live web chat on MN

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WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe Mon 12-Feb-18 01:28:36

Does anyone know if there's any news on this? Last I heard MNHQ had contacted JC's 'people' but not had a response.

Horridemma Mon 12-Feb-18 08:11:33

Thought that was obvious. We are the wrong demographic

TallulahWaitingInTheRain Mon 12-Feb-18 08:18:54

We've gone from ford-focus-driving mumsy Middle Englanders ready to be patronised about biscuit preferences to bigoted old witches whose thoughts are too dangerous and subversive to be heard

Think it's probably a promotion

LaContessaDiPlump Mon 12-Feb-18 08:19:41

Hear Hear, Tallulah!

KayaG Mon 12-Feb-18 08:21:03

We may ask difficult questions about Labour and transwomen. He won't be able to answer them without saying he's throwing us under a bus.

JustHooking Mon 12-Feb-18 08:21:53

I got excited then and thought it was actually going to happen

Patodp Mon 12-Feb-18 08:22:48

He already did one.

Myunicornfliessideways Mon 12-Feb-18 08:50:49

Pato he was asked to do one specifically about self ID, as a single issue chat following his announcement on to that he welcomed a discussion with women about it.

If he does not stand behind this then it needs to go to National press. Women have the right to know that he sees them as unworthy of having a voice or opinion, their rights and safety are of no interest to him or Momentum and the only women he plans to interact with are those who are biologically men. Then we all know where we stand and can vote accordingly.

Wheresmyfuckingcupcake Mon 12-Feb-18 08:52:49

He doesn’t need to talk to MN. He probably thinks we all just vote as our husbands tell us to.
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PiffIeandWiffle Mon 12-Feb-18 08:55:17

Thought that was obvious. We are the wrong demographic

Really? I've never seen as much blind "Labour Love" as I do on MN!

And a fair proportion of that is shared with JC.

Patodp Mon 12-Feb-18 08:58:14

To be fair in this current climate I don't think any politician would be daft enough to do a webchat on a specific issues as divisive and heated as this.
Whatever he said either the TRAs would be all over it, accusing him of hateful transphobic bigotry or the feminists would be all over it calling him misogynistic.

TerfsUp Mon 12-Feb-18 08:59:42

If it were TIMNet, rather than MNet, JC would be all over it like a rash, so that he could virtue signal. But talk to real, biological women? Not a snowball's chance in Hell.

Wanderingwomb Mon 12-Feb-18 09:03:20

There seems to be a lot of different views here in general, which I think lends more credibility to the huge proportion of posters who are beginning to see the problems with self ID. How dare he ignore us! As somebody who voted him in and has the TSHIRT I am getting very very pissed off

Myunicornfliessideways Mon 12-Feb-18 09:11:32

If he says on tv he does not want to exclude women from the debate and welcomes discussion - I don't have much sympathy about the dangers to his political career of actually doing it.

If it's an issue he believes in then he needs to have the guts to face women and tell them Labour doesn't give a damn about them. Actions have consequences, he's hung his hat on this issue. He can't just hope that most women voters won't realise. If he's afraid of a trans backlash for talking to women- and lets face it they think even allowing women a conversation is hate, they don't want this publicised or talked about - then tough again for JC. Either he agrees women have a right to a voice in massive political decisions solely affecting them, or he doesn't.

Not interested in his woes, they come with the job.

Wheresmyfuckingcupcake Mon 12-Feb-18 09:17:32

Reported in the times yesterday / recent polling showing labour vote 6% down among women - the self id issue cited as a cause.
I really think the stupid bell end may have screwed himself over this one.

DodoPatrol Mon 12-Feb-18 09:18:39

Would any of the gender-critical trans people on here be up for talking to Corbyn?

Off the top of my head: PidgeonPodge, TransHobbit, Curry?

AdaColeman Mon 12-Feb-18 09:18:45

He can't come for a web chat, he's having too much fun on the bandwagon.

DodoPatrol Mon 12-Feb-18 09:19:52

I'd like to ask him for clarity on who he considers trans, and whether the definition has any boundaries at all.

Everyonematters Mon 12-Feb-18 09:28:55

Mumsnet is absolutely a demographic that Jeremy Corbyn and indeed anyone who wants to win a general election needs to be concerned about. Mumsnet includes:
Women
Parents
Older women - arguably as or more important than the younger vote if you look at the figures.

All of those groups quite naturally have some questions about how saying someone with a penis saying they are female is going to work in practice.

Hopefully, JC and others in the party have thought through the answers to these and can reassure us.

Or if not presumably he will want to look at how to make sure the Labour Party set a policy on this that makes sure there are no issues for women.

Why wouldn't he talk to mumsnet about this?

DodoPatrol Mon 12-Feb-18 09:30:39

Because having questions is bigoted and requires re-education, apparently.

SeaWitchly Mon 12-Feb-18 09:31:37

I am a staunch Labour member who actively campaigned in the last GE.

I am also a Jeremy Corbyn supporter who helped vote him in as leader [twice] because I strongly believe in the political and ideological platform on which he stands.

This is no 'blind Labour love' however. I happen to believe that it is important, vital even, that the country's resources are directed towards supporting those most in need, for example care in the community, ensuring that residents in tower blocks such as Grenfall have safe housing that is fit for purpose, state education, supporting medical staff to provide the best standard of care in the NHS and paying them a decent wage for doing so...

But I am appalled at the direction Labour seems to be taking over Self ID, AWS, appointing a teenage transwoman without a GRC as womens officer... and standing by as they fight with women on social media and compile secret dossiers with the intention of getting them kicked out of the Labour Party. I am horrified that Jennifer Jones has been suspended from the Labour Party. I was greatly disturbed to see JC , a man who I have seen to have a thoughtful and principled viewpoint on most political issues [whether you may agree with these or not], offer the most mealy mouthed response to Andrew Marr around self id in the party. To me, he didn't sound convinced but equally he was keen to move on... that he had bigger fish to fry.
I don't think that he has thought this through tbh or self id's implications for women... and he needs to, pronto, or he is going to lose a heck of a lot more women from the Labour Party and that is a great shame for those of us who fear for those most at risk from yet another term of Tory government

And I would also like to know has Jeremy yet made the opportunity to speak with Linda Bellos or other GC feminist groups.
Otherwise him saying he responds to the person in front of him [in response to .Andrew Marr's questioning] is a white wash as if he doesn't make the effort to speak to GC feminists and TERFS then he is never going to have the opportunity to really hear and understand what is they are trying to say about this.

Horridemma Mon 12-Feb-18 10:01:28

Who are keeping these dossier complying groups in check?

Surely these sorts of sinister Stasi like activities are not supported by the leading committee?

Do they have to comply with freedom on information requests?

Wheresmyfuckingcupcake Mon 12-Feb-18 10:05:44

Corbyn will not condemn these activities because, in common with other terminally juvenile members of the hard left, he believes the end justifies the means. If the cause is just it matters not how you further it. When the security services snoop on people that is state repression. When momentum activists do it it is promoting s just cause.
That’s how he thinks, and how he has always thought. That was always clear. Which is why those who express disappointment in him strike me as very naive.

TerfyMcTerface Mon 12-Feb-18 10:23:32

Wheresmyfuckingcupcake

I couldn't agree more. For men who think like this, we are indeed acceptable collateral damage.

At the very best we'll get his mealy-mouthed "I condemn all bullying".

AdaColeman Mon 12-Feb-18 11:29:20

Read James Kirkup's article in The Spectator explaining to Corbyn just why he should be listening to Mumsnet.

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