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The gaslighting and victimhood status of TAs like Paris

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Mrsmiguelcervantes Thu 08-Feb-18 06:51:37

https://mobile.twitter.com/parislees/status/960221118677291008

No one wants you to be beaten or any of the other things you mention Paris. We just don’t believe you are a woman and we object to the harmful ideology you promote that hurts women and children.

SeaWitchly Thu 08-Feb-18 06:57:44

twitter.com/parislees/status/960221118677291008

SeaWitchly Thu 08-Feb-18 07:00:01

Yes, it's attention seeking and narcissistic dramatisation.

Equally annoying are all the hangers on piling in to tell Lees how much they love and admire them... 'haters gonna hate', 'you go girl!' brain dead responses.

rb67 Thu 08-Feb-18 08:15:36

I just read some of it. Someone posts in support of Paris - there are people "tied to an obsolete version of reality". That's us.
What the f does it even mean!!

Ohforfoxsakereturns Thu 08-Feb-18 08:25:09

Stella Creasy MP fawning over Paris was the final nail in the coffin of my Labour Party membership. Despite Paris’ views on sexual harassment validating womanhood, she chose to ignore what was in black and white to comment on high heels.

Sometimes it all feels hopeless.

Mrsmiguelcervantes Thu 08-Feb-18 08:31:21

Yeah I find those particular types of comment totally brain dead. Women who rightly critique the dangerous nonsense that Paris spouts are not haters. We simply see the damage it’s doing to children and the danger it poses to women and are using our voices to speak out.

I’m delighted Paris is happy and had a good weekend but I oppose what Paris stands for. And for a feminist Paris is strangely quiet on anything other than trans rights. Which is not feminism.

Mrsmiguelcervantes Thu 08-Feb-18 08:34:31

Ohforfoxsake, it’s not hopeless. We are getting through to people. Look at Paris’s tweet at the top of his feed about feminism being intersectional. Loads of push back.

TinselAngel Thu 08-Feb-18 08:47:31

That post basically says to me "I'm a cissy and I quite like feeling oppressed".

NaturalWoman Thu 08-Feb-18 08:54:46

Tbh, I actually have no idea who this Paris person is. (Something I feel would be more damaging to their fragile ego than even an accidental misgendering.)

Who is trying to deny them healthcare? Who wants them beaten? Who wants them to be unhappy? Certainly not me. I wouldn't recognise them if they passed me in the street.

But I don't understand a) why it has to come at the expense of women and b) why this person would be so fucking nasty about the members of a club they claim to so desperately want to join. confused

UpABitLate Thu 08-Feb-18 08:56:19

Yeah because it's women who go around beating people up isn't it. Espeically man sized people.

The TA movement just HATES women, they have not a bad word to say for men, they never challenge men, and they seem quite happy to see men committing violence against women (of the cunty variety) - the absolute joy over that fight with fallon fox they were salivating over seeing the cunty woman beaten as much as possible, putting male sex offenders in women's prisons etc. Then there's all the stuff about sexual harrassment and how great it is. Oh and of course all the rape and murder fantasies all over the internet...

SuburbanRhonda Thu 08-Feb-18 09:01:53

So Paris had a lovely weekend but instead of talking about that, decided to go on Twitter to whinge about the haterz?

Bit of glass-half-empty worldview, no?

NaturalWoman Thu 08-Feb-18 09:02:34

All the "you go girl!" supporters will be the ones left scratching their heads wondering what happened when this all goes horribly wrong.

Kind of reminds me of 24th June 2016 when the top google search was "What is the EU?"

Vote/support however you like, but at least understand what you are voting for/supporting.

Ohforfoxsakereturns Thu 08-Feb-18 09:02:58

Paris should be leading the battle for specific trans healthcare. Paris should be owning her trans battle. I can’t relate to what she’s been through for fucks sake, I have no idea. But it doesn’t mean I am without empathy. I just wish the TRAs would stop trying to appropriate and fit into womanhood. If trans people took ownership of their trans status I have no doubt that women would share their struggle and fight with them and for them. We’re good at that shit.

Trans women need to recognise what being a woman means. Threats of violence? Battling for health care? Being beaten? Sexual violence? Harassment? Yep, that’s being a woman. Get used to being a second class citizen. Learn to deal with it oh-so-politely.

The one good thing about it is it bonds women. Women are fucking amazing. We’re strong, clever, considerate. We know what matters. We push human beings out of our vaginas. It’s no wonder men are so scared of us they feel they need to oppress us, show us who is boss with their fists.

I’d have a modicum if respect for Paris if she retracted and apologised for the shit she wrote for Vice.

SwearyG Thu 08-Feb-18 09:06:50

When the story about Indonesian police arresting and shaving the heads of trans identified men broke Paris tweeted that exactly the same thing had happened to them. All the handmaidens were lapping it up and not one questioned 1) whether such things actually happen in the UK and 2) if they did why it wasn’t reported. It was such victim-bandwagon-jumping that I felt disgust with Paris. Such a narcissist and such a liar.

NaturalWoman Thu 08-Feb-18 09:08:11

Trans women need to recognise what being a woman means. Threats of violence? Battling for health care? Being beaten? Sexual violence? Harassment? Yep, that’s being a woman. Get used to being a second class citizen. Learn to deal with it oh-so-politely.

I said something similar on another thread a couple of days ago.

Has it not occurred to these TIM that if they feel marginalised, unheard, ignored, at threat of violence from men, under represented and silenced that, actually, they have achieved the pinnacle.of womanhood.

That is being a woman.

Whatever special privileges they believed would be conferred to them by growing their hair and donning a dress haven't materialised becaise they don't exist.

jellyfrizz Thu 08-Feb-18 09:15:43

Trans women need to recognise what being a woman means. Threats of violence? Battling for health care? Being beaten? Sexual violence? Harassment? Yep, that’s being a woman. Get used to being a second class citizen. Learn to deal with it oh-so-politely.

^^ YES!!!!

AngryAttackKittens Thu 08-Feb-18 09:24:42

When the story about Indonesian police arresting and shaving the heads of trans identified men broke Paris tweeted that exactly the same thing had happened to them.

So wait, in this tale of probably imagined woe was Paris on vacation in Jakarta and arrested there, or are the British police now in the habit of shaving the heads of the people they arrest?

Thisusernamethingistricky Thu 08-Feb-18 09:35:05

Check out this tweet. Is Paris saying that a TV bod contacted her with these exact words to try and get her to come on their show. Or was it in the context of the recent debate about women's refuges, or something similar, and Paris is just being a disingenuous gaslighter? From the comments below her acolytes appear to believe that this is exactly how she was asked.

Paris never does TV or radio debates around this issue. She claims its because she is not prepared to debate her existence/whether she should be beaten up/discriminated against blah blah blah. In reality we all know it's because she knows she doesn't stand a fucking chance against the likes of Karen Ingala Smith or Julie Bindel.

UpABitLate Thu 08-Feb-18 09:38:28

?

Why are women never invited on to debate whether we deserve to be mocked, insulted and discriminated against?

We are rarely invited to talk about the more serious stuff - sexual assault, street harassment, rape, DV... And when we are there's always a TIM on hand to say Oh dear don't say that, you nasty man-hater.

UpABitLate Thu 08-Feb-18 09:41:26

Do these people have so little idea of the female experience?

Women go on about it all the time. We have #metoo at the moment, there have been other times when women have talked about stuff like this. And each time the men say, Oh that's awful why didn't you say anyhthing, followed by, are you sure it's that bad, followed by OK shut up now. The TIMs meanwhile seem to take this a step further by not noticing AT ALL. And then thinking that they are the only ones getting treated like shit. And by women? It's men who treats us like shit and they're way scarier.

Lovelyusername Thu 08-Feb-18 09:45:22

@upabitlate

Why are women never invited on to debate whether we deserve to be mocked, insulted and discriminated against?

This! Every time this happens we should call out the radio show / program and write in, email, tweet about it.

Thisusernamethingistricky Thu 08-Feb-18 09:50:42

We have #metoo at the moment, there have been other times when women have talked about stuff like this. And each time the men say, Oh that's awful why didn't you say anyhthing, followed by, are you sure it's that bad, followed by OK shut up now.

Then followed up with 'why arent you including transwomen in everything you talk about'?

SwearyG Thu 08-Feb-18 09:52:57

Sorry AngryAttackKittens I misquoted Paris. It’s precisely what happened, not exactly what happened. When Paris was a child.

Thisusernamethingistricky Thu 08-Feb-18 09:53:37

This is the second part of Paris's tweet.

UpABitLate Thu 08-Feb-18 09:54:47

"Right to exist" I mean come off it.

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