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Seperate trans officer role for labour

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iamawoman Tue 06-Feb-18 19:51:52

London young labour have passed a motion for the creation of a seperate trans officer role as well as continuing to support self iding women for all female shortlists
- so more jobs for men then!!

Cistersaredoingitforthemselves Tue 06-Feb-18 19:53:11

I identify as trans so I will now apply .... what's good for the goose...

UpstartCrow Tue 06-Feb-18 20:01:02

Bet you £10 they claim this will increase the number of women in politics.

Fragglewump Tue 06-Feb-18 20:06:14

You could not make this batshit situation up!

malaguena Tue 06-Feb-18 20:10:32

Should we all apply then? I identify as agender- I think gender is idiotic misogynistic crap. I am not a Labour member and will not vote for them until they sort themselves out, but I suppose I can self-ID as a member for the time being.

SmurfOrTerf Tue 06-Feb-18 20:12:02

I'm speechless

Kimlek Tue 06-Feb-18 20:12:41

I think a Tory should get the post! A ‘natural’ woman with a vagina too!

Kimlek Tue 06-Feb-18 20:14:11

A natural woman with a vagina and xx chromosome Tory! Why wouldn’t that be representative?

McTufty Tue 06-Feb-18 20:14:22

I think a separate trans officer would be a great idea if in conjunction with keeping all female shortlists for women. Disappointed this is not the case.

I wait to see how many transmen get appointmented to this new position hmm

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole Tue 06-Feb-18 20:32:30

I would put a hundred quid on the person chosen fo the role being male. Cannot see it benefitting transmen somehow. When its they who are actually underrepresented, both as transmen and as females.

SchrodingersFrilledLizard Tue 06-Feb-18 20:37:41

Good lord. The Labour Party really is in self-destruct mode.

Winefred Tue 06-Feb-18 20:44:17

What's the proportion of transgender people compared to women and men?
It seems like there is a disproportionate amount of platform for this - but I don't know the numbers, so perhaps there is not?

I am/(was?) a hard-line & militant Labour/Corbyn supporter. But after some decades I'm not even sure if I'd vote Labour.

NoqontroI Tue 06-Feb-18 20:47:02

FFS. I don't think I could possibly vote for labour again.

Popchyk Tue 06-Feb-18 20:48:53

Trans people are a tiny proportion of the population compared to lesbian, gay and bi people. But they don't get their own officer, they just have to do with one LGB person.

In the interests of fairness, they would presumably need:

Lesbian Officer
Gay Officer
Bi Officer
Gender Fluid Officer
Trans Officer

As an absolute minimum really.

Having just a Trans Officer is a bit like deciding to structure your government into Economy, Health, Education, Home Affairs, Foreign Affairs, and Plymouth Argyle supporters.

Fekko Tue 06-Feb-18 20:51:23

Please please please please please transman for the job.

NotTerfNorCis Tue 06-Feb-18 20:56:18

It won't be a transman because they would have 'male privilege'.

Fekko Tue 06-Feb-18 20:59:03

S’how come a person whose been a ‘woman’ for five minutes not have this? 20 years a man and not even a teensy bit of privilege?

Popchyk Tue 06-Feb-18 21:04:09

Yes, it needs to be someone really truly oppressed, someone who can provide a voice for the voiceless.

Like a white bloke.

SmurfOrTerf Tue 06-Feb-18 21:15:58

Maybe a little flower ?

SmurfOrTerf Tue 06-Feb-18 21:16:42

A little white Lilly

MiMi78 Tue 06-Feb-18 21:17:36

Popchyk grin
Do you think Ladbrokes would accept a bet that in a years time, a Labour BAME post will be held by a Hetero white fella transracial transwomen.

cista Tue 06-Feb-18 21:19:27

And people wonder how Trump got elected...

AprilW Tue 06-Feb-18 22:27:02

Wouldn't this mean we're all able to apply for the trans officer role, if the all-women shortlists remain open to trans women and self-ID becomes law?

The women's shortists are open to trans women because trans women are women. As they're women, any physical aspects which are traditionally considered 'male' are, in their cases, female. A fixed division between male/female physical aspects is not the defining aspect of sex-based shortlists. The physical can and should be entirely disregarded.

Sex, not just gender identity, resides entirely in a person's inner consciousness and public statement.

So I can be a trans-trans woman. My intent to self-identify this way overrides traditional, restrictive physical notions that a trans woman is a person born male who wishes or needs to live as female. In fact - that sentence is taboo, isn't it? You can't say 'April, you're not a trans women', because that would suggest there is some significant difference between me and trans women, which of course there isn't because we're exactly the same. You can't define me as a non-trans woman without inadvertantly describing trans women as 'people born male who wish or need to live as females'. That statement is, at best, crass, and at worst a tangible form of violence.

And you could say: 'no, April: you're a member of the woman category, but you're sub-classified as a cis-woman, and this position is only open to trans-women'.

But I don't identify as a cis-woman. I feel, in a way you cannot question, that I am a trans woman, and that I can speak for trans women, and although I haven't shared any of their formative experiences and the challenges specifically related to being born male and transitioning into a female identity, I still very strongly feel that I should represent the trans woman community as a trans trans woman.

I'm sorry, but why are you obsessed with the idea that I was born female and now live as a woman? Why do you care about my genitals and reproductive system and DNA? We've decided that doesn't matter.

So: everyone apply. It's the Victor/Victoria test. Nobody can point out that we're women pretending to be men pretending to be women if those words don't mean anything any more.

SmurfOrTerf Tue 06-Feb-18 23:06:04

I think I'll self ID as a transwoman. Heels, make up and dresses are alien to me, so if I get a bad wig, and a stupid name I might pass as a transwoman. As for a name ? How about Savannah Smurf ?

SchrodingersFrilledLizard Tue 06-Feb-18 23:09:03

Excellent idea, Surforterf.

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