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RedToothBrush Thu 11-Jan-18 17:29:46

On tv tonight.

But here's an article to give you a taste of what its going to be

DeleteOrDecay Thu 11-Jan-18 17:32:03

Oh yes i saw an advert for this. Will be watching with.... 'interest'.

DeleteOrDecay Thu 11-Jan-18 17:33:48

As a documentary about a London gender clinic begins, the lead doctor tells Susannah Butter that trans women will soon carry their own babies, and why teens should be allowed sex surgery

I got as far as the sub headline. That doctor is dangerousangry

Timefortea99 Thu 11-Jan-18 17:34:20

He looks like a used car salesman in his shiny suit.

DeleteOrDecay Thu 11-Jan-18 17:41:56

Many of my patients go to gynaecologists who don’t realise that they are trans women.

I call bullshit on this.

I couldn't read the full article. As soon as he started banging on about removing sex segregated toilets and changing rooms I saw red. How fucking dare he, as a man, suggest such a thing,

Fucking fucker.

YassQueen Thu 11-Jan-18 17:45:00

Many of my patients go to gynaecologists who don’t realise that they are trans women. That’s the standard to which we push ourselves

This is the bit that worries me.

I'm very much on the fence on many transgender issues, but the above sets a dangerous precedent.

I work in a healthcare role where I have to triage. I need to know if I am dealing with a patient who was born male or female. Unless gender reassignment surgery replaces your aorta, I need to know if you're male or female born to assess your risk of a triple A. I need to know because your sex affects the age at which we start to query cardiac problems with upper abdo pain.

Pre-surgery is an even bigger problem. If you tell me that you're male, I won't be able to ask you about any potential for ectopic pregnancy. If you tell me you're female, I won't be able to pick up on any groin or testicular pain, potentially missing testicular torsion or similar conditions.

It's worrying. I will call them whatever they want me to call them, and address them by whichever pronouns they desire, but I need to know what anatomy they were born with, or they're putting themselves at risk - but that opens the floodgates then for the accusations of transphobia.

Ifitquackslikeaduck Thu 11-Jan-18 17:45:27

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

EamonnWright Thu 11-Jan-18 17:45:57

Something is telling me that the population is being pushed to peak trans intentionally.

YassQueen Thu 11-Jan-18 17:47:19

There are bad people in the world of every flavour. We need to create a safe environment that’s good for everyone

This is a very wishy-washy answer. Young girls don't need to be told "oh but there are bad people everywhere", they need to be told "we will do everything we can to reduce the chances of you being sexually assaulted in spaces that should be safe". The current situation renders them collateral damage in the fight to not hurt anyone's feelings.

IrkThePurist Thu 11-Jan-18 17:52:49

Does anyone else think the title is trite compared to the subject matter?

He's talking about giving puberty blockers to young girls, is that legal in the UK? Or is he speaking hypothetically?

RedToothBrush Thu 11-Jan-18 17:57:38

I thought the article would go down well...

If you have a gynae who can't the difference, would you want them as a gynae? (perhaps they simply know not to comment).

I did think there were a few other interesting comments in there:

“More media exposure means more people coming forward,” says Inglefield
So this is a sales pitch.

Does Inglefield believe there should be an age limit on surgery? “No. It is about looking at the maturity of that individual, how long they have felt they are in the wrong body.
Medical ethics and informed consent anyone?

We have so many young people that have attempted suicide, been estranged from their family because of gender identity. Is it in their best interests to put an artificial number on it or provide them with the appropriate care?”
So lets do surgery on vulnerable individuals under 18.

Puberty blocking is increasingly popular among teenagers who are questioning their gender, although some have raised concerns about potential side-effects which may include fertility problems. Inglefield says blockers can give patients extra time to consider what they want to do
How can it give extra time to consider if one of the side effects are fertility problems?!!!

“We’ve had one patient who had surgery more than 10 years ago realise now that her decision to transition was to do with the fact that she was sexually abused as a child and the only way she could deal with that was to suppress that male self by becoming a female self. She’s now come to terms with the fact that her reason to transition was based on that abuse and is now going through the process of going back to her male self.”
At least there is an acknowledgement of de transitioning existing. And oh look at the reason why.

Ereshkigal Thu 11-Jan-18 18:21:04

Who is regulating these gender quacks?

RedToothBrush Thu 11-Jan-18 19:00:47
The CQC.

RedToothBrush Thu 11-Jan-18 19:17:56

also the GMC.

New regs came into force in June 2016. This covers private practice too I believe.

The guidance makes clear the ethical obligations doctors have towards patients and the standards of care they need to provide. It says that doctors must:

market their services responsibly
seek a patient’s consent themselves rather than delegate this to somebody else
give patients all the time and information they need so that they can make a voluntary and informed decision about whether to go ahead
take particular care when considering requests for interventions on children and young people
consider patients’ vulnerabilities and psychological needs when making decisions with them about treatment options

I note the finer detail on responsible advertising:

market your services responsibly, without making unjustifiable claims about interventions, trivialising the risks involved, or using promotional tactics that might encourage people to make ill-considered decisions.


the more detailed:
Communicating information about your services
47. When advertising your services, you must follow the regulatory codes and guidelines set by the Committee of Advertising Practice.
48. You must make sure the information you publish is factual and can be checked, and does not exploit patients’ vulnerability or lack of medical knowledge.
49. Your marketing must be responsible.18 It must not minimise or trivialise the risks of interventions and must not exploit patients’ vulnerability. You must not claim that interventions are risk free.
50. If patients will need to have a medical assessment before you can carry out an intervention, your marketing must make this clear.
51. You must not mislead about the results you are likely to achieve. You must not falsely claim or imply that certain results are guaranteed from an intervention.
52. You must not use promotional tactics in ways that could encourage people to make an ill-considered decision.
53. You must not provide your services as a prize.
54. You must not knowingly allow others to misrepresent you or offer your services in ways that would conflict with this guidance.

Is taking part in a tv series or doing a newspaper interview marketing or advertising? If so, could it be argued there is a breech here?

IamNotDarling Thu 11-Jan-18 20:13:14

I’m fucking raging about this sales pitch by this butcher.


Spinsterf Thu 11-Jan-18 20:24:03

'Many of my patients go to gynaecologists'
I can't think of any condition that would affect a MTF that would require treatment by a gynaecologist.

ifitquackslikeaduck Thu 11-Jan-18 20:31:18

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

DeleteOrDecay Thu 11-Jan-18 21:03:34

Well here we go...

DeleteOrDecay Thu 11-Jan-18 21:04:00


Agerbilatemycardigan Thu 11-Jan-18 21:57:16

I feel really bad for some of the MtF patients who really believe they can be actual women by having their penis removed.

They're being sold a lie.

Agerbilatemycardigan Thu 11-Jan-18 21:58:41

'Sold' being the operative word..

DeleteOrDecay Thu 11-Jan-18 22:04:13

Yep, definitely. Its so unethical.

From my point of view they were all caricatures of women which is fine, but they are not women. They are transwomen.

Agerbilatemycardigan Thu 11-Jan-18 22:05:25

It's a ticking time bomb

BubbleLamp Thu 11-Jan-18 22:07:31

It's gruesome.

Agerbilatemycardigan Thu 11-Jan-18 22:11:08

I actually felt really angry on behalf of Danny's wife. He knew damned well how he felt, but waited until 5 months after he'd married her before coming out as trans. Selfish fucker!

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