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Labour party invents new bollocks made-up non-existent definition for woman

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pisacake Thu 11-Jan-18 14:29:44

labour.org.uk/members/get-involved/national-youth-elections-2018/

Sixteen uses of the word 'self-defining woman'. Zero uses of 'female', 'biology', or plain 'woman'.

'Woman' is now literally meaningless. A woman can be a bog-standard heterosexual teenage male (Lily Madigan), if he says so.

And obviously with half the places reserved for 'self-defining women' (not 'women', 'self-defining women'), then there's not really any reason why men wouldn't define themselves a women, is there?

If misogynistic shits like Lily Madigan can 'self-define as a woman', well ALL men are women, aren't they?

The whole bloody human race is 'self-defined women'.

Stupid Labour.

ShotsFired Thu 11-Jan-18 15:20:40

I am not a LP member, but I urge all of you who are, and who are now cancelling memberships, to please put your reasons why in a letter/email and explicitly tell them. The LP needs to know the real effect their ridiculous actions are having.

FWIW, I have been sending my own Conservative MP more info (a bunch of printed articles over Christmas) followed up with the excellent Transgendertrend 2017 roundup URL in an email. He has responded to say thank you and that he is monitoring it and continues to be against it (well, not "not keen for it to progress" is more accurate)

theyoniwayisnorthwards Thu 11-Jan-18 15:20:41

Ok I see, it's an objection to Labour saying putting transgender women in position is fulfilling their obligation to work toward gender parity?

pisacake Thu 11-Jan-18 15:21:15

theyoniwayisnorthwards you could start here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3096513-to-let-you-know-how-men-use-the-Equality-Act-to-undermine-womens-spaces?messages=100&pg=1

Basically some teenage boy has trolled the shit out of the Labour party and got them to cancel the word 'woman' so it no longer has any meaning.

This is in the context of a party that has for MANY years had places reserved for women, but now these places are no longer reserved for women, they are reserved for anyone who ticks a box.

Which is one thing, I mean if the Tories don't have all-female shortlists then you could say it's fair enough that Labour no longer have them, but it's much more offensive to do it this way whereby you claim that you are doing affirmative action but you are actually pandering to teenage boys.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth Thu 11-Jan-18 15:21:29

What don't you understand?

Previously there were 'Women's Lists'. Now there are lists for anyone who 'identifies' as a women. So men and women can apply. So what's the point of the Women's lists? But of course the LP gets to say they support and promote women's interests

And meanwhile, we have 19 year old male brats who say they are women, in Women's officer's roles.

I would lay money that the first 'woman' leader of the Labour Party will be a Trans Identified Male.

Progressive. As. Fuck.

This is what will happen

theyoniwayisnorthwards Thu 11-Jan-18 15:22:28

Thank you pisacake, thats really helpful.

53rdWay Thu 11-Jan-18 15:22:37

Can you explain to me what you are angry about please?

Labour as a socialist party should understand that women are oppressed because of our sex, not because of how we do or don’t ‘self-define’. If you redefine ‘women’ so it no longer means our sex class, and indeed no longer means anything at all, then how can you tackle women’s oppression? You can’t.

Also, Women’s Officer as a post is there to help women get into and be involved in politics, by specifically tackling the kind of problems women face in doing this. Men as the dominant class who don’t face these problems shouldn’t be taking that role, in the same way that straight people shouldn’t be applying for LGBT officer and so on.

Does this shed any light?

UpABitLate Thu 11-Jan-18 15:23:24

"I am not a LP member, but I urge all of you who are, and who are now cancelling memberships, to please put your reasons why in a letter/email and explicitly tell them. The LP needs to know the real effect their ridiculous actions are having."

I will do when they get in touch to say why isn't your DD working any more.

pisacake Thu 11-Jan-18 15:24:31

"Ok I see, it's an objection to Labour saying putting transgender women in position is fulfilling their obligation to work toward gender parity?"

Two issues, really, more important here is the unilateral declaration that gender recognition certificates are obsolete, and anyone can immediately declare themselves a woman, with all that entails (access to all female spaces). Whether transwomen count at all is another issue, but the unilateral declaration that you just need to tick a box is unacceptable.

UpABitLate Thu 11-Jan-18 15:26:09

They can probably do what they like can't they? They aren't a goods / services provider and the positions aren't jobs sort of thing...

I suspect that the equalities legislation might not apply to this type of thing in political parties but happy to be corrected.

theyoniwayisnorthwards Thu 11-Jan-18 15:27:35

Thanks 53rdWay, that's a really useful explanation. Whilst I have been thinking about and reading about intersectional feminism for some time I have not given much (or any) thought to how transgender politics interact with feminism and this is something I need to read around and think about.

UpABitLate Thu 11-Jan-18 15:28:28

Well there's enough threads on here to keep you going for about 50 years grin

IndominusRex Thu 11-Jan-18 15:32:44

Who the hell can we vote for that won't throw us under the bus?

UpABitLate Thu 11-Jan-18 15:40:36

No-one but hasn't that always been the way?

stitchglitched Thu 11-Jan-18 15:49:40

Strange how it explicitly states that you have to be under 19 for one of the roles. Why not self-defining under 19?

guardianfree Thu 11-Jan-18 15:56:39

We were talking about this the other night. I suspect that unless there is a halt to the eradication of women as a legal and scientifically accurate fact then I won't be voting - for the first time in many decades!

If no political party can appreciate the importance of this and are determined to support a 'cult' which is actively promoting medical experimentation on children resulting in their sterilisation, then there isn't a party that I would vote for (and I suspect that I am not alone).

LangCleg Thu 11-Jan-18 16:03:11

Note also that this has been made explicit only for the youth section of the LP. It's young political activists who most strongly support TRA ideology.

I've said on a couple of threads now that I think the refusal of otherwise sensible politicians to acknowledge glaringly obvious rights conflicts is because a) Labour knows it has the youth vote buttoned down and won't do anything to risk that and b) the Tories are hoping to look less unappealing to the young and supporting this doesn't impact any of their main economic areas.

mimivanne Thu 11-Jan-18 16:20:42

I feel sick.I have voted Labour for 54 years and been a member of the LP, since Jeremy became Labour Leader.
Regional Board Youth Representative ,11 posts ,6 reserved for self defining women
Young Labour National Committee ,11 posts,5 reserved for self defining women.
I called Labour Party membership 034509
22299 to cancel my membership You need to.email labourmembership@labour.org.uk to cancel .There will apparently be space to give your reasons.Distress level 100%.

GrimDamnFanjo Thu 11-Jan-18 16:26:22

I felt the rage when I saw my daughter students union reserves spaces at conferences for self defining women. It's a fucking disgrace.

ButFirstTea Thu 11-Jan-18 16:34:02

I don't see the problem. If you are a woman you are eligible and covered by this definition.

Lottapianos Thu 11-Jan-18 16:36:49

Another Labour voter saying fuck this shit. I'm so utterly sick of it. PLEASE let some actual women MPs with their heads screwed on start kicking up about this. It's all happening so quickly and it's bloody terrifying

Seeingadistance Thu 11-Jan-18 16:47:11

@ButFirstTea The problem is that men are also eligible for positions which are intended for women!

Men are not women.

Thehairthebod Thu 11-Jan-18 16:49:04

I don't see the problem. If you are a woman you are eligible and covered by this definition.

Because you are competing against 'self defining women' (ie. Men) so what is the point of having 'women's lists'? It's just a way of looking inclusive on the outside.

Plus, as our friend Lily shows, you can be pretty crap at your role and have the charisma of a park bench, but if you are trans you will still get told that you are amazing and that you are 'smashing it'.

What a load of bollocks.

Fekko Thu 11-Jan-18 16:52:01

So if you say you are a woman, hey

IrkThePurist Thu 11-Jan-18 16:57:07

ButFirstTea
The problem is;
1) This is a breach of The Equality Act. and
2) Labour can now have 100% biologically male MPs and reps, and still claim to be supporting women.

For example, the post of Womens Officer is supposed to be held by a woman. 'Woman' is a protected characteristic meaning 'biological woman' not transgender.

PaleBlueMoonlight Thu 11-Jan-18 16:59:22

I am also not a self-defining woman, I am just a woman.

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