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labour party. please can somebody read and think for me?

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nolurkynolighty Mon 20-Nov-17 14:21:28

should i cancel my labour party membership? genuine question. was pro corbyn..... and until very recently would have said i was pro trans.

i am currently having to limit the amount of reading i do around TRA stuff because of the amount of sexual abuse in my past. i am dealing with this stuff but slowly. what i read keeps making me physically terrified when in reality my actual day to day life, stuff is pretty good.

please help. in all other areas i am less spineless i promise! and i usually like to form my own opinions. it is just i have realised i need to look after my self for a bit so am stepping back. but i need to know if the labour party should be getting my support and money or not.

AssignedPerfectAtBirth Mon 20-Nov-17 14:24:33

No. They are throwing women under the bus and promoting harmful transcult ideology. They will not be getting my vote and I was a lifelong labour supporter

catchyjem Mon 20-Nov-17 14:42:32

I don’t know but I’m asking myself the same questions. It’s really only the trans issue I’m not happy with so really not sure cancelling membership over that is sensible. I don’t think I’ll ever find a political party where I agree with every single thing. People are saying they won’t vote labour over this but what party actually has a different stance on trans right now?

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger Mon 20-Nov-17 14:50:15

I don’t think I’ll ever find a political party where I agree with every single thing

I was a Labour and Momentum member but have jacked both of them in today. Their blind support of the trans ideology to the detriment of women is misogynistic and throwing us under a bus. It is too huge an issue for me to ignore.

AssignedPerfectAtBirth Mon 20-Nov-17 14:54:25

I don’t think I’ll ever find a political party where I agree with every single thing

I agree but Gender Self ID is the line in the sand for me. To vote for them would be like turkeys voting for Christmas. No.

catchyjem Mon 20-Nov-17 15:00:21

Who do we vote for then? What party is against gender self id?

PhilODox Mon 20-Nov-17 15:00:39

There are two v long threads today about the travesty that is labour electing a 19yo TIM, that has been a party member since May 2017, as a constituency women's officer, after hounding another woman out of the same role (different constituency).
Cancel that membership.

Superlandlady Mon 20-Nov-17 15:02:59

Catchyjem

No, you won't BUT you must have core, non-negotiable beliefs about being recognised as a woman.

This trans issue is about to completely obliterate what "woman" means.

They want to take our protected positions, everywhere.

Claim grants and bursaries that the donor intended for women.

Compete against females in sports.

Use communal showers with girl children.

You have to draw the line somewhere.

billybagpuss Mon 20-Nov-17 15:05:26

It seems you are not 100% sure at the moment and I'm sure you could easily find something else that you are passionate about that would appreciate the money, or simply save it yourself. The decision is not irreversible, when they are more akin to your views at the time you can always rejoin.

Sentimentallentil Mon 20-Nov-17 15:13:03

I left the Labour Party a few months ago, I don’t trust Corbyn as far as I could throw him.
He should be opening up this debate and shutting down any bullying instead he says it’s an ‘mp issue’ and refuses to talk about it.

BelaLugosisShed Mon 20-Nov-17 15:13:20

I have voted Labour all my adult life, I'm 52, I will not ever vote for them again as long as this insanity continues.
Ignoring the rights of 50% of the population in favour of 0.05% will enrage 90% of women, surely?

hackmum Mon 20-Nov-17 16:05:04

I have always voted Labour. Two years ago, after a long absence, I rejoined the party.

Am now thinking of leaving again over this. But there is nowhere else to go. All the parties - Conservative, Labour, Lib Dem, Greens, Women's so-called Equality Party - all support the trans agenda. Even though it's a position that puts them at odds with the majority of the population.

It's madness.

catchyjem Mon 20-Nov-17 17:14:59

But there is nowhere else to go. All the parties - Conservative, Labour, Lib Dem, Greens, Women's so-called Equality Party - all support the trans agenda. Even though it's a position that puts them at odds with the majority of the population.

This is just what I mean and why I’m undecided.

AssignedPerfectAtBirth Mon 20-Nov-17 17:25:18

Pity Kezia Dugdale is off on 'I'm a celeb'. We could have asked her if she wanted to head up a new women's party. grin She's about to get booted out of the Labour party anyway

DonkeySkin Mon 20-Nov-17 17:34:06

If I can butt in here as a non-UK resident, I think this is a really crucial point:

All the parties - Conservative, Labour, Lib Dem, Greens, Women's so-called Equality Party - all support the trans agenda. Even though it's a position that puts them at odds with the majority of the population.

How did this happen? Largely through behind-the-scenes lobbying by trans activists. They have managed to persuade virtually all political parties and most other institutions and orgs involved in making policy to adopt their extremist positions.

Trans activists didn't go to the public with their ideas. They didn't try to gain mass acceptance of their agenda. They went straight to the power brokers, and lobbied them quietly behind the scenes. They met with them. They were organised. They took over the infrastructure of the LGB movement. They formed offical-sounding groups ('Action for Trans Health'). They established themselves as experts on trans issues, and were therefore allowed to write policy on trans for almost every major institution of government, health, education, etc. Very clever of them. Feminists could learn a lot from their strategies.

And in that spirit, can I suggest that might be more worthwhile for women to stay in the Labour Party, and organise with other women behind the scenes: getting meetings with MPs directly, forming lobby groups. All the while of course forcing public debate on the issue. Unlike TRAs, feminists need not fear scrutiny of our arguments. A good starting point might be to demand that Labour (and for that matter the WEP) adopt a clear, non-circular definition of 'woman' grin

DJBaggySmalls Mon 20-Nov-17 17:47:31

I've left the Labour Party as I won't support this mess. There isnt another party for us to join even the WEP has caved.
It will backfire on them, there will be consequences. I will then think about returning - unless a new socialist party has formed.

I think women should withdraw all of their unpaid labour as well as their membership.

I predict that if this trend continues, in a few years, women wont be much better off here than in the Middle East.

RogueBiscuit Mon 20-Nov-17 18:52:36

I've left today. A 19 year old man being appointed as a woman's officer was the last straw.

AssignedPerfectAtBirth Mon 20-Nov-17 18:53:56

twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/932593970940665856

Greens

GuardianLions Mon 20-Nov-17 18:54:10

About the womens officer - op please don't look it might be triggering twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/932679473048227840

KalaLaka Mon 20-Nov-17 19:01:02

confused

Oh lord.

KalaLaka Mon 20-Nov-17 19:01:59

I hope we can find a way to protest that doesn't involve leaving. I don't want this to be the tories' gain.

RogueBiscuit Mon 20-Nov-17 20:02:06

I don't understand why people are reluctant to leave. You can still vote labour and you can rejoin anytime. Emails and letters won't change anything.

KalaLaka Mon 20-Nov-17 20:05:40

Good point.

DJBaggySmalls Mon 20-Nov-17 20:05:50

RogueBiscuit Exactly.
Leaving Labour does not mean joining the Tory part or voting for them. I cannot in good conscience vote for UC or to dismantle the NHS. Theres no way I'd consider joining them.

RogueBiscuit Mon 20-Nov-17 20:28:34

I've sent various messages over the last year. I've not had a single response. Yet they regularly ring , email and text asking for donations or help campaigning.

They expect our support while they propose a law that will now give any man access to women in private spaces. We are paying them to pass laws that harm us.I really think there's two options here. Leave, or continue to support the erosion of women's rights.

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