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Labour officials quit in transgender row

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Betty184 Wed 15-Nov-17 01:18:21

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/labour-officials-quit-in-transgender-row-06qtj2b3r

ALittleBitOfButter Wed 15-Nov-17 02:55:46

Excellent: publicising of the witch hunts has begun!

ALittleBitOfButter Wed 15-Nov-17 02:56:54

Why does some random teenager who doesn't like a stranger's views get their calls for sacking aired?

Igneococcus Wed 15-Nov-17 06:14:22

Link with share token:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-officials-quit-in-transgender-row-06qtj2b3r?shareToken=080f8be84918d6bd0b1c343ae147a9a9

KarlosKKrinkelbeim Wed 15-Nov-17 06:29:24

Men trying to stop women saying what they think ... but hey, it’s really radical and modern all this trans stuff. Nothing regressive about it at all.
Nice to see the Labour Party doing its usual bang up job of protecting women from abuse again

StealthPolarBear Wed 15-Nov-17 06:39:37

Any hope this will help? Hopefully she'll be clear why she's resigned.
I have to say I found the article difficult to follow, maybe too early. I think the unnamed stuff didn't help me

morningrunner Wed 15-Nov-17 07:13:12

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SelmaAndJubjub Wed 15-Nov-17 07:34:39

Very impressed that her colleagues supported her, though, rather than tow the 'progressive' line and denounce her as a terf.

QueenLaBeefah Wed 15-Nov-17 07:48:55

Age old story of men bullying women but now we get to call it progressive.

ShotsFired Wed 15-Nov-17 08:09:22

The problem with the GRA in a nutshell: "the fear of appearing politically incorrect is preventing proper scrutiny of the legislation and its far-reaching consequences."

Where "far reaching" is possibly the understatement of the year...

StealthPolarBear Wed 15-Nov-17 08:26:07

Very true selma.

sleighbellend Wed 15-Nov-17 08:27:56

Trans activism is just a Trojan horse movement for men (whether TIMs or not) to wreck feminism from the inside.

StealthPolarBear Wed 15-Nov-17 08:31:46

Really good analogy

nauticant Wed 15-Nov-17 08:40:38

Had a quick look for Adrie van der Meer on twitter. The first thing I see is him saying he's got no money and wants people to give him money to buy coffee. Why am I not surprised by this?

pisacake Wed 15-Nov-17 09:07:32

Well he looks quite the charming obese neckbeard.

Scabbersley Wed 15-Nov-17 09:10:55

Poor woman. I am delighted she's been supported. Almost makes me feel kinder towards the labour party! wink

FloraFox Wed 15-Nov-17 09:12:42

The woman, Anne, at the centre of this tweeted a screenshot of an exchange by these two losers where neckbeard compliments the TIM for looking more feminine than Anne in the photos published by the Times. Tells you all you need to know.

DJBaggySmalls Wed 15-Nov-17 09:23:02

I'm impressed by the solidarity, but the fact they are the ones to leave is typical and its worrying. If the decent people leave in disgust, it leaves the people who caused the problem.
I've seen this in groups and the workplace, and you can end up with a really bad culture as a result; driven by a minority with an agenda, one that has that has nothing to do with the original purpose of the group.
It always seems to be driven by narcissists or control freaks who overestimate their own capabilities.

Lucylu75 Wed 15-Nov-17 10:56:38

Any bullying is always wrong and I suspect the two involved here don't speak for the majority of the transsexual community. Sensible debate will always get them further. However, I do expect the majority of the transsexual community are a little bit fed up with being tarred by the same brush by a right wing press with some members who'd like to write them out of existence. After all being transsexual is down to a recognised medical condition, Gender Dysphoria. There is a standardised treatment pathway for the GD just like many other medical conditions. Let's not forget either that GD is not something which anybody chose to have. Most transsexual folk probably hear others opinions of them significantly more than most often in a form of abuse and bullying. Yes, these two appear to be a couple of prats but I think the papers are only too keen to pick these stories out and print them in a negative light. I suppose good news doesn't sell papers.

ArcheryAnnie Wed 15-Nov-17 11:31:03

The "he/him, cis" guy is now begging Owen Jones to follow him on twitter. It's all a bit pathetic.

ArcheryAnnie Wed 15-Nov-17 11:34:42

suspect the two involved here don't speak for the majority of the transsexual community. Sensible debate will always get them further

LucyLu I suspect you mean well, but you are amazingly behind the times. Death threats, rape threats, doxxing, trying to get people sacked - this is all pretty standard operating procedure from trans activists against women who don't toe the line nowadays.

Of course all transsexuals don't agree with them. But they get threatened and shouted down, too, if they speak up. The extremism noted in this article IS now the mainstream.

nauticant Wed 15-Nov-17 11:34:51

I suspect the two involved here don't speak for the majority of the transsexual community

But what about the transgender community. You know, the community that calls the transsexual community truscum?

FloraFox Wed 15-Nov-17 11:35:54

After all being transsexual is down to a recognised medical condition, Gender Dysphoria.

This is now considered a transphobic viewpoint by mainstream transactivists, hence why they are trying to have process de-medicalised under the proposed new GRA. Having gender dysphoria is not a requirement of being transgender.

This couple of prats are representative of a lot of TRAs in the labour and feminist movements who are looking to push anyone out of the movement that does not agree with their position on trans issues. It's pretty shameful that it is only the intervention of the right wing press that is shining a light on this issue. The Guardian would not cover this in a month of Sundays, left to their own devices.

AshleySilver Wed 15-Nov-17 11:37:13

It would make me feel kinder towards the Labour Party if they had done something about the months-long harassment campaign against Anne Ruzylo, who one of their officials.

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