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pisacake Mon 06-Nov-17 12:45:47

This is just one small part of the country:

www.hertsad.co.uk/news/increase-in-trans-support-is-offered-as-child-gender-fluidity-rises-in-st-albans-district-1-5264057

"According to trans charity Mermaids UK, which supports families experiencing gender diverse and transgender children, it is difficult to know how many people are gender-variant.

Yet a survey by the Equality and Human Rights Commission, undertaken in 2012 by 10,000 recipients, suggested one in 100 people are gender-fluid to some degree."

“My daughter is at Marlborough School and started this September. So far she is loving life and I hope it stays that way.

“She left primary school as a boy and everyone has just accepted the change with no dramas.”

"Another proud mum added: “My daughter is 11 and one of the most beautiful children on the planet. She is happy and healthy and will never be a boy again. He used to be a boy at school and a girl at home. So she started secondary school as a girl. I wish I had the guts to let her be free a lot sooner."

"Seven-year-old Dexter was born a girl named Talia. He has lived as a boy for several years."

"“It was when he was aged two and a half I noticed a strong dislike of anything ‘girl’. He wouldn’t wear knickers and refused to play with girls’ toys. He had male friends but I never thought anything of it as my friends all had boys and I was a tomboy as a kid."

"Dexter - whose dream is to be an Olympic gymnast or runner when he grows up - celebrated his birthday on Wednesday "

Yeah sorry but that only works the other way round.

"“I want people to understand this isn’t a choice, in the same way being gay isn’t a choice. He’s adamant he will grow up and get married and be the husband and daddy and he will have a wife."

Er, biology might have something to say about that.

"Tracy, 45, is mum to a trans boy. Born a girl called Kiera, her 14-year-old lives in Hatfield as a boy and applied to legally change his name to Danny this week.

He also attends a LGBT group for teenagers in Hatfield as Danny but attends a girls’ school where his identity is outwardly ‘female’. He returned to school with the new legal name of Danny – despite still wearing a skirt and blouse because it’s a girls’ school"

"“Danny wants to fully transition to be male and The Tavistock will offer the help needed mentally and physically to be able to do this. Testosterone will be the first step and we are hoping to start as soon as he finishes Year 11"

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"He had never been interested in boys’ toys then one day, Dianne found her biological son, aged two, upstairs with his sister’s dress and make up on. Through school he would change into girls’ clothes every evening, he hated football and wanted to keep his hair long. He would say to her “When I grow up and I’m a real girl I’m going to have loads of dresses”."
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Jenny’s child changed her name from an overtly feminine name to Charlie, to reflect what she feels is her pansexuality. She is 14. Her mum said: “She dresses in an androgynous way and prefers to appear more male than female. She prefers not to be called she/her, so we use her name and pronouns, which quite is tricky.
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And why is this all happening? Well there's material like this www.facebook.com/sirell.fiel/posts/1621018487918535 being distributed to 11-year-old children (in New York in that case, but it's a global phenomenon) informing them about 'bottom surgery' and 'bilateral mastectomy' as if it's the most normal thing in the fucking world.

These groups can make up whatever shit they like and just come in and hand it out because there is no kind of restraint or oversight.

This is official an NHS handout. www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/assets/media/17-15-02-A-Guide-For-Young-People.pdf and it teaches young kids how to 'pass', how they can have their 'dream name', and it (naturally) refers children to Mermaids as if they are a credible mainstream group, rather than extremist one. It tells children that hormones "effectively produce a female puberty", and that testosterone "offers very effective masculinisation", and that hormone blockers if taken when younger give a "more passable body".

They even suggest you go overseas to escape the nasty beastly business of regulation

"If you are under 16 a lot will depend on gaining the full support from your parents. In other countries hormone blockers can be given to younger transsexual people which will prevent the onset of unwanted secondary sex characteristics. This may mean that you look further than the UK for medical intervention. It would be undesirable to buy hormones over the internet without fully knowing what you are buying."

Utter fucking insanity. The NHS is suggesting you buy prescription-only medication overseas or on the internet. Since when did the NHS operate like that?

"Technology for SRS is quite advanced and with good surgery even gynaecologists are said to find it hard to distinguish a constructed vagina from a natal one. "

"Orchidectomy is the removal of the testes. This operation means that testosterone will no longer be naturally produced in the body and therefore you can do without your testosterone blocker. In general, the lower the dose of any drug the lower the health risks you will have. "

"Hysterectomy
This surgery involves the removal of the interior female sexual organs. This prevents the risk of cancer and forever prevents periods or risk of pregnancy"

That's the entire entry for 'hysterectomy'. Sounds great, huh?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Mon 06-Nov-17 12:51:22

with good surgery even gynaecologists are said to find it hard to distinguish a constructed vagina from a natal one

I find that incredibly hard to believe. When will men people realise that a vagina is way more than a suitable orifice to be penetrated...

Datun Mon 06-Nov-17 13:15:47

pisacake

That is appalling. Can I suggest you move it to AIBU. This needs to reach as wide an audience as possible.

Gileswithachainsaw Mon 06-Nov-17 13:22:00

Bloody hell...

Yet again it's all about clothes and toys ffs

Those poor children. I've no doubt the parents are doing what they feel is best but the advice they are being given and why they are being told...angry

norahnamechange Mon 06-Nov-17 13:22:55

Pisacake.
Thank you for this. It is a huge scandal in the making isn't it? The throwaway 'simplifying' major surgery is a disgrace and would be banned if other groups tried to use these tactics.

Sentimentallentil Mon 06-Nov-17 13:34:02

😱😱😱

Fucking hell.

That’s truly shocking the way they minimise hysterectomies and castration like that.

Also I agree fine I don’t think I am fully able to articulate quite how offensive I find it when they say biological vaginas and surgical ones are the same.

Labelmystery Mon 06-Nov-17 13:41:13

The real scandal is the NHS referring people to information provided by pressure groups (who are promoting an ideology) instead of on medical evidence. Prof Winston got into trouble for pointing out that sex reassignment surgery is often not very successful.

On another note, fancy telling a vulnerable teenage girl how she can opt out of periods, and probably any meaningful sexual activity forever - I would have jumped at the chance at that age!!

TisapityshesaGeordie Mon 06-Nov-17 13:47:53

The town in the OP is where I live! I'm appalled, I thought we'd escaped the worse ravages of transactivists. Certainly all I know are sensible parents who allow their children to have whatever interests and like and dislikes they please without deciding that makes them a different gender. angrysad

pisacake Mon 06-Nov-17 13:50:38

Datun, done: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3079707-AIBU-to-think-the-NHS-should-not-be-recommending-hysterectomy-to-young-girls

Datun Mon 06-Nov-17 13:53:54

Good. Because you know, shocking though that information is, you’re preaching to the choir here.

DaisyRaine90 Mon 06-Nov-17 13:57:01

This scares me.

I know their is a minority this is true for and they genuinely do feel like they have been born in the wrong body, but this is an adult decision and not something to be taken lightly.

Datun Mon 06-Nov-17 17:27:54

DaisyRaine90

This thread has been restarted in AIBU. To reach more people.

Link here.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3079707-AIBU-to-think-the-NHS-should-not-be-recommending-hysterectomy-to-young-girls

hipsterfun Mon 06-Nov-17 17:48:30

I find that incredibly hard to believe. When will men people realise that a vagina is way more than a suitable orifice to be penetrated...

DP finds the idea that one would be indistinguishable from the other difficult to believe, on the basis of physiology.

Oh, how he laughed when I suggested he might be a vagina fetishist. By laughed, I mean went hmm

anniroc Mon 06-Nov-17 18:08:01

This family is local to me and Dexter's mum is active on social media. Tbh I didn't like the article at all, but she seems fairly sane i.e she understands that he may not always want to be male.

BlackForestCake Mon 06-Nov-17 18:28:45

Jesus wept. “When I grow up and I’m a real girl I’m going to have loads of dresses”.

BlackForestCake Mon 06-Nov-17 18:29:39

Does nobody understand that children cannot distinguish between fantasy and reality?

IndominusRex Mon 06-Nov-17 18:38:32

I think we need to complain to the charity commission en mass about Mermaids.

ALittleBitOfButter Mon 06-Nov-17 19:49:38

This is truly sickening.

Datun Mon 06-Nov-17 19:58:04

What’s unbelievable is that these children, their parents, their peers and the school do not think that they can express masculinity or feminity unless they say they are the opposite sex.

None of them.

norahnamechange Mon 06-Nov-17 20:24:38

IndominusRex
I don't believe that the Charity Commission, the NHS, the DfE understand or even know what any of these organisations are actually doing / saying to children, teachers, health care professionals etc. They just assume that they are promoting safety and freedom from discrimination for transgender people which of course is right. They have no idea about the manipulation of statistics, misleading statements and the active promotion of this ideology to the detriment of others using threats, violence and silencing. And when they spot the silencing because of 'transphobia', well that's quite right isn't it? People shouldn't be transphobic.

It's only when you go underneath the surface that you start to understand what has actually been happening. Women get it first because we're the immediate targets for the intimidation, closely followed by an emerging horror as we realise what is happening to children caught up in this. To date this has been 'hidden in plain sight'. Whether enough of those 'in power' have the integrity to stand up and challenge the damage that is being done remains to be seen.

BatShite Tue 07-Nov-17 18:53:37

"“It was when he was aged two and a half I noticed a strong dislike of anything ‘girl’. He wouldn’t wear knickers and refused to play with girls’ toys. He had male friends but I never thought anything of it as my friends all had boys and I was a tomboy as a kid."

Amazing, how this mother seems to accept that her child is actually boy based on the child being a tomboy, whilst freely accepting she herself was a tomboy herself hmm Seems no such thing as a 'tomboy' these days. clearly the rational response to having a girl who doesn't want to wear knickers and gets on better with boys is to put them on route to blockers. Rather than just not put your child in knickers and let them play with boys.

Also yet again, all transkids mentioned being about stereotypes.

Mermaids need to fuck off. They are doing so much damage. Genuinely upsets me that the NHS signpost any parents of gender non-conforming kids to this pressure group.

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