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Public Health England are looking for self-identified transpeople

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Gingernaut Tue 03-Oct-17 16:41:40

surveys.phe.org.uk/TakeSurvey.aspx?SurveyID=n65H4793#

This does not bode well.....confused

BrandNewHouse Tue 03-Oct-17 16:45:38

Jonas.Thompson-McCormick@phe.gov.uk

Looks like the leader will be getting lots of questions from Mumsnettters. I for one will be doing that.

BeyondNoone Tue 03-Oct-17 16:47:11

Self identified non-binary, eh...?

Gingernaut Tue 03-Oct-17 16:48:06

Yeah. hmm

Really don't think they know what they're letting themselves in for....

jellyfrizz Tue 03-Oct-17 16:52:43

"For the purposes of this survey, we use trans as an umbrella term to embrace the diverse range of identities outside the traditional male/female definitions. These include transgender, gender fluid and non-binary."

Interesting wording. So transwomen who identify as female can't take part?

ErrolTheDragon Tue 03-Oct-17 16:54:28

Oh... so there was a survey for 'cis' (sorry) women which has now closed? Was that publicised? confused

Terrylene Tue 03-Oct-17 16:54:59

All this self-identification malarkey is a bit random.

How do they know that what they asking to be identified is the same thing as those who are identifying it? How will they get statistics and what will they actually be about? Total mind-fuck.

There are no words for it. Literally.

Terrylene Tue 03-Oct-17 16:56:24

Oh... so there was a survey for 'cis' (sorry) women which has now closed? Was that publicised? Was it for self-identifying ones or trans-identified ones?

BeyondNoone Tue 03-Oct-17 17:00:32

So... who else totally didn’t fill it in...?

SpaghettiAndMeatballs Tue 03-Oct-17 17:04:53

male and female are sex designators though - so, yet again, if I lived in the UK, as someone of the female sex, but who doesn't have a feminine gender identity (wearing boxers and a bra as we speak - and if it wasn't for my physical characteristics (enormous boobs which get all sweaty if not separated from the skin below) I wouldn't wear a bra at all) - does that make me pan gender or gender fluid?) I would be totally eligible to answer this.

Really, they need to do some decent definitions at the start of this. Surely that's questionnaire writing for beginners? Define your audience?

Terrylene Tue 03-Oct-17 17:14:58

They lack the language. By the time they have made everything non-offensive and inclusive, they can't actually say who they want. wink

No sure how this works with the Law - Laws need to define words very accurately in order to mean anything.

LineysRun Tue 03-Oct-17 17:31:07

'Are you a parent (whatever you define that to be)?'

Terrylene Tue 03-Oct-17 17:35:49

It said "Are you a parent (whatever this means to you)? on the pdf one I looked at - sounds like my mother getting a dig in grin

jellyfrizz Tue 03-Oct-17 17:42:07

Oh... so there was a survey for 'cis' (sorry) women which has now closed? Was that publicised?

Looks like it got a total of two tweets asking for women - not specifying 'cis' from PublicHealthEngland@PHE_uk on July 24th. Looks like the survey closed on 31st July.

SerendipityFelix Tue 03-Oct-17 17:45:22

Oh I did the ‘cis’ women one earlier in the year, I don’t remember it being for ‘cis’ women though, because seeing as I quite definitely do not identify as a cis woman that would not have applied to me! It had the same daft ‘do you identify as intersex’ question though.

Surely agender applies to all gender critical people?

Fairyflaps Tue 03-Oct-17 17:55:12

It's a survey about reproductive health, so having a specific trans questionnaire makes sense in this context. But it's quite amusing seeing whoever wrote it themselves in knots over the terminology. This is what happens if you conflate sex and gender.
PDF of the questionnaire here if anyone's interested.

SpaghettiAndMeatballs Tue 03-Oct-17 18:01:17

It said "Are you a parent (whatever this means to you)? on the pdf one I looked at - sounds like my mother getting a dig in grin

ROFL <grin> (my sister for me)

I think they might need still to talk to doctors regarding the reasons for contraception non-usage - I remember an awful thread where a lesbian wanted that acne drug, but her GP wouldn't prescribe unless she also went on hormonal birth control, and no amount of pointing out that she was a lesbian with a stead partner would sway him.

MyVisionsComeFromSoup Tue 03-Oct-17 18:09:58

I ticked "other" for "sex assigned at birth", and commented that my sex was noted, not assigned, at birth. I also said that I wanted PHE to use biological terms, as it seemed very difficult to be discussing sexual reproductive health without them, sex being biology.

I identified as non-binary for the purposes of this survey, I don't consider myself to be bound by gender rules. Or maybe that makes me agender? It's so hard to work out how special I am today wink.

Ereshkigal Tue 03-Oct-17 19:49:17

@DadTrans will be impotently raging at some of you.

LineysRun Tue 03-Oct-17 19:52:15

I was asked 'sex given at birth' confused

MrsFogi Tue 03-Oct-17 19:56:25

Even if your sex is female this is enough to drive you insane trying to fill it out (let alone thinking about gender). I take it everyone is going to do their best to complete the survey to show Public Health England that this is crazy.

MrsFogi Tue 03-Oct-17 20:14:15

It's actually quite enlightening - I had no idea but having thought I was sex = female, gender = female I've actually discovered I'm transitioning because whilst my sex remains female I'm pretty fucked off about the impact of the transactivism on women's rights so actually am transitioning from my previous gender to something else that suits me on a daily basis in order to express my pissed offedness.

BeyondNoone Tue 03-Oct-17 20:48:11

It assumes everyone is transitioning though. What if my sex was assigned female, but (like some kids today) my gender was non-binary all along? Huh?
Didn’t think of that, did they...

MrsFogi Tue 03-Oct-17 21:03:59

Comment section for that BeyoneNoone.....Along with ensuring you comment that we need to ensure that statistics based on sex aren't messed up for political correctness related to gender.

ErrolTheDragon Tue 03-Oct-17 22:18:45

What if my sex was assigned female, but (like some kids today) my gender was non-binary all along?

Whereas (excepting rare intersex people) sex is truly binary, surely everyone has non-binary 'gender'. 'Gender' is a culturally defined multidimensional set of continuous properties.

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