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Apparently I shouldn't use the term SEX

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cafeaulaitpourvous Fri 22-Sep-17 14:45:04

Says DD (30).

It is politically correct to say gender. I told her sex is the biological term for the physical body (dna etc) and gender was a social construct

Nope... apparently we should just say gender


Terrylene Fri 22-Sep-17 14:48:07

Makes you wonder how they will ever manage to make babies..............hmm

SpaghettiAndMeatballs Fri 22-Sep-17 14:49:22

Sod that. I remember the one time I visited the job centre I had a look at their careers list, and saw the job 'chicken sexer' who's job it is to separate the male chicks from the female chicks.

Animals have sex, we are animals, we have sex. Nothing politically incorrect about reality.

MephistophelesApprentice Fri 22-Sep-17 14:52:27

The twisting of language in the name of ideology makes me incredibly angry. When people deny the impact of manipulating meaning in the name of whatever cause they espouse, or claim that it's necessary to repair some linguistic injustice, it's always evidence of an authoritarian bullying attitude that seeks to deny the rights of whoever they've decided is undeserving of real justice.

AngelsSins Fri 22-Sep-17 14:53:56

I wonder how schools will teach biology in this "brave new world"? How will David Attenborough voice animal documentaries? Will he describe lions as those with manes, and those without? It's so painfully stupid!

Mrskeats Fri 22-Sep-17 14:55:31

Sex and gender are two different concepts
Gender=Social Construct that varies between times/cultures etc
Political Correctness does not come into it.
This sort of stuff makes me go nuts.

EBearhug Fri 22-Sep-17 14:59:31

We can't use sex at work, at least in written (types) stuff. It blocks it unless you change it to gender.

It still lets me swear on instant messenger, though (I had to explain what FFS meant to a German colleague.)

Norland Fri 22-Sep-17 15:15:20

Gender is actually for inanimate objects.

A table in French would be 'la table' and therefore gender is feminine. The government is 'le gouvernement' and is of a male gender.

All living things are of male or female sex, as determined by chromosomes. It's not currently possible to have a sex-change, as that would require - for say male-to-female - swapping out all the Y-chromosomes, for X-chromosomes in every cell. I seem to recall reading that the legal definition of what sex somebody is, was covered by chromosomes.

However the OP's daughter is 30, so she is right, 'cos everybody under 30 is always right (I certainly was) and letting facts get in the way of a sweeping statement is to be avoided (pro tem and forever)

Disclaimer : If you're a right-wing, fundamentalist American-Baptist and reading this, you'll understand that 'sex' is a dirty word and should be avoided at all cost and gender sounds so much more intelligent, along with using the noun 'impact' in place of the verb 'affect' or using " " double quotes instead of ' ' single as more is always better right?

Anniegetyourgun Fri 22-Sep-17 15:17:26

'Allo darlin'. Fancy coming upstairs for a spot of gender? Fnarr fnarr.

Terrylene Fri 22-Sep-17 15:24:19

Genderal intercourse?

ponderingprobably Fri 22-Sep-17 15:40:37

If someone describes someone as having a 'Gendery' body, is that objectification?

cafeaulaitpourvous Fri 22-Sep-17 15:46:54

Forgot to mention DD is a lesbian. I have tried to talk to her and express my concerns but she says I am being transphobic and unfair.

She has lots of MTT friends and they are all such hard work. Real narcissists...who are not very nice to her.

I have tried reasoning with her .... she understands patriarchy but doesn’t seem to be able to see what is happening. She doesn’t see what’s wrong with self identification and accepts trans women with penises are in women’s safe spaces. And I would’ve thought she would hold the idea of safe spaces dear as she was sexually assaulted a few years ago.

ponderingprobably Fri 22-Sep-17 15:52:34

Isn't there an element of homophobia in some factions promoting trans ideology? Some are reporting people, in some circles, are now preferring to be seen as trans rather than homosexual.

deydododatdodontdeydo Fri 22-Sep-17 15:53:58

If she's lesbian and refuses to sleep with her MTT friends with penises, she may be accused of transphobia, so she'd better be prepared for that.
Things could backfire on her.

Terrylene Fri 22-Sep-17 17:01:00

If her friends aren't nice to her you just have to keep modelling proper behaviour, listening, nodding, and saying 'that was not a nice thing to do' in the appropriate places and hope she twigs and moves on. Make sure she has escape routes.

My 'sensible' DD seems too caught up with her brony friends - they are all very 'nice' and fluffy, but you do wonder what is under it. As people grow up, you realise they are only going to look after their own interests. Niceness is as niceness does etc wink.

nauticant Fri 22-Sep-17 18:09:22

Did you pay any tuition fees for your DD's education OP? If so, do you think you could ask for a refund?

AdultHumanFemale Sat 30-Sep-17 02:56:20

Hm, I am feeling the first icy tingles around the use of 'sex' in my profession (education), so I am using it as much as I can, and correcting sex / gender obfuscation until I actually get told not to. But I know an 'official LA line' must be just around the corner, and I am pretty certain it won't be gender critical.

pilatesofthecaribbean Sat 30-Sep-17 03:09:28

Sex is the human body, male or female. We are a sexually dimorphic species, and the existence of intersex people, more accurately described as having disorders of sexual development, doesn’t change that, however much the trans brigade try to glom onto medical conditions that have nothing to do with them to justify their own demands. Gender - a word that should have been left to refer to grammar - is a euphemism for sex roles. And sex roles are a hierarchy, not things one feels or identifies with. They are the enforcement of male supremacy.

LassWiTheDelicateAir Sat 30-Sep-17 03:40:40

It has come to a very strange pass when Fox News sounds like the voice of sanity.

Datun Sat 30-Sep-17 09:58:41

She is clearly confused. Equating sex with gender, once again.

Did she really mean that a child could choose their own sex? Because she didn't seem to make a distinction. She didn't acknowledge that although a child is of a certain sex, they can choose how to express themselves.

I wish he had asked and what happens if they choose the opposite sex? At what point do you perform surgery and render them infertile?

And if you don't, how have they 'chosen their own sex'?

BelaLugosisShed Sat 30-Sep-17 10:32:10

How is Biology, Human or otherwise, going to be taught in schools without the word Sex?
I actually had a Canadian midwife on twitter tell me that sex is a social construct and she has many pregnant male clients. When I pointed out the obvious, she told me that words mean things and can hurt people confused
It made me check the Royal college of MW site and NICE clinical guidelines for pregnancy and am relieved to report they still refer to pregnant women and maternal care

ErrolTheDragon Sat 30-Sep-17 10:32:31

Use 'sex' when you mean sex, and 'gender' if you don't.

My DD is 18 and seems to understand the difference pretty clearly. I was huffing a bit when registering with the BBC that they had a 'gender' choice; she pointed out that if the purpose was to assess or direct your usage along stereotypical lines then in that context 'gender' might be the more appropriate term.

DJBaggySmalls Sat 30-Sep-17 10:45:59

Canadian midwives are forced to speak that way, as trans people are protected by laws including hate speech laws, but women are not.

AdultHumanFemale Sat 30-Sep-17 11:12:31

Datun , this is exactly what I worry about, when my local authority, which already opens mandatory training events with rounds of introduction requiring participants to declare preferred pronouns, will impose 'guidance' for language use pertaining to 'gender awareness' in schools. I don't actually have an issue with using preferred pronouns, but it makes me uneasy when it is a blanket requirement to declare in unrelated training context, when nobody is expected to refer to anyone else in 3rd person; smacks of massive virtue signalling.

YetAnotherSpartacus Sat 30-Sep-17 12:20:16

*Forgot to mention DD is a lesbian. I have tried to talk to her and express my concerns but she says I am being transphobic and unfair.

She has lots of MTT friends and they are all such hard work. Real narcissists...who are not very nice to her*

When will lesbians learn from their history that the gay movement / LGBT isn't for them? They were not wanted in the first place, gay men oh so reluctantly gave over some of their power back in the old days when it was just gay and lesbian and they only did so because they wanted to boost their numbers. During the AIDS crisis, lesbian women were told to put aside their own issues and focus on 'the mens', which they did. They campaigned and made tea and held hands ... only to be completely rejected after. Now they are being told to make way for 'T'. Gay men and trans are not their friends. Ultimately, gay men have male power and they see women as helpmeets and as second class, including lesbians. Gay men like other men put themselves and their dicks first.

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