Girl jobs and boy jobs

[jellyfrizz]

Keeping national politics out of it. Is this ok to joke about?

[DustOffYourHighestHopes]

No

[NoLoveofMine]

No, it's ridiculous.

[Xenophile]

No, it makes you look like a fucking idiot.

As does repeating a lie about women getting into politics because of some other woman's shoes

[AssassinatedBeauty]

No, it's very disappointing. But perhaps not surprising. I don't think Theresa May would say she was a feminist.

[NoLoveofMine]

I suspect she wouldn't, either. She certainly doesn't act in feminist ways in my opinion (her policies and actions in government haven't been great for women and she I think said the Daily Mail "legs" headline was "a bit of fun"). It's still disappointing when a woman in such a position comes out with something like this and perpetuates such outdated stereotyping, also feeds into the idea of certain past-times being for "girls" and others for "boys".

[Xenophile]

She does say she's a feminist, so there you go. I suppose I could say I was a leggy beauty. That would make both of us liars.

[NoLoveofMine]

Well the idea of describing a woman as a "leggy beauty" is sexist in itself in my opinion.

[Seeingadistance]

I've only heard a bit about this from the Jeremy Vine show on Radio 2 earlier, and I had to switch it off because I was so pissed off. There was a woman, don't know who she was, making out that women are innately drawn to particular chores!

[Dozer]

Women going into politics because politicians can wear/afford naice shoes

[AssassinatedBeauty]

That t-shirt really says "this is what someone trying to get you to vote for me looks like", and goes to show how stupid those t-shirts were. I do get the idea they were trying to get across but it's just so easy for anyone scrapping around for popularity to chuck one on and tick off that demographic from their checklist.

[Xenophile]

Thank you nolove, I hadn't worked that out for myself, it's so lucky you're here to set me straight. I shall never not call myself a leggy beauty again.

Seeing... that idea is so commonplace it's sickening. I'd also challenge anyone who says anything like that to point out to me the part of the brain where these innate qualities are set. I'd very much love to see their evidence for it!

[NoLoveofMine]

Indeed. I've never heard her actually say she was a feminist, only wear that t-shirt once (as a number of politicians did). David Cameron once claimed he was a feminist when pressed in an interview, but I wouldn't say he "calls himself a feminist".

[NoLoveofMine]

Thank you nolove, I hadn't worked that out for myself, it's so lucky you're here to set me straight. I shall never not call myself a leggy beauty again.

Thanks for yet another patronising comment towards me. You obviously have some issue with my posts, ah well.

[Xenophile]

Assassinated.. of course the t-shirts were a ridiculous stunt, and massively out of the price range of most of the women who might have liked to buy one. She has stated that she sees herself as a feminist a fair few times. Words and actions don't always match up

[Xenophile]

No love, not at all. I just fancied being patronising as a response to your being ridiculous. So we're quits.

[NoLoveofMine]

Oh right. Me posting my opinions are ridiculous, your being patronising towards me is fine because you've decided it is. Nice.

[Xenophile]

No, you telling me I can't not call myself something silly is you being ridiculous. Own it.

[NoLoveofMine]

I said I find the term "leggy beauty" sexist. I do.

The best place I find to discuss feminism away from the trolling and so forth on social media and this is how another feminist acts towards me, lovely!

[AssassinatedBeauty]

I seem to remember they were made by people in poor conditions as well, rather than by a company that considers the welfare of its workers.

I'm surprised she has said she's a feminist. I don't see that from her actions at all. Again it's disappointing but not surprising.

[Xenophile]

I think that's right Assassinated, but if I remember correctly, Fawcett cleared it all up and it either wasn't as bad as it was made out to be, or they hadn't known. Either way, they came out of it ok.

Their merchandise is still extortionately expensive.

[TeiTetua]

Nobody owns a copyright on the word "feminist", so it's open to anyone to appropriate. But then, anyone can laugh about it afterwards.

Theresa May could say that anyone should be able to take any job, and she's proving it every day, and isn't that feminist? You can't argue with that, but one would like to see just a little more commitment, especially in some area where personal ambition isn't also a motivation.

Just imagine Maggie Thatcher in that shirt, though. The very idea.

[DevilWearsPrimark]

I was hoping to see this mentioned somewhere, I think it's been overlooked! I don't think anyone should be promoting the idea that there are gendered jobs, in or outside the home.

[NoLoveofMine]

I don't think anyone should be promoting the idea that there are gendered jobs, in or outside the home

Indeed. Perpetuating this idea feeds into the idea there are "girls' toys" and "boys' toys", past times, subjects at school, jobs. Even as a woman and Prime Minister doing so does this - if anything it adds greater weight to that outdated notion.

TeiTetetua in a sense, and I have read of some of her policies/actions which have supported women. But when so many have hit women, not least the most vulnerable, it's difficult to see her as feminist.

[OlennasWimple]

The girl job / boy job thing was cringeworthy (as was the whole interview TBH)

TM definitely has feminist credentials in the way that she has helped other women climb the career ladder (both indirectly, within the Tory party, and by the appointments that she has made as PM). She doesn't play the rules that the men have set - which frustrates them no end, but is what saw her walk into power last year. She has a strong sense of female identity - she is not trying to be "better than a man" in how she does her job, she just does it.

Some of her policies impact particularly hard on women. Her interaction with Trump was nauseating

I don't think it's as simple as labelling her a feminist or not

[jellyfrizz]

Everywhere I have seen it discussed most people are saying 'lighten up, it's only a joke'.
Just like they said about the 'light' sexual harassment female office workers back in the 70s had to put up with.