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"Science Teacher" TransCult

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LilacMarin19 Thu 27-Apr-17 21:37:53

Is it just me who thinks this is a ridiculous statement for a science teacher to make?

Surely a science teacher can tell the difference between natural transsexualism in animals - where their physiology has evolved to be as such - and intersex humans who have been born with chromosomal abnormalities!? How are the two comparable when one is a deviance from normative human biology (essentially a birth defect, although I know that word has stigma attached to it, I do not mean it to be derogatory), and the other is a completely natural transformation of sex for that species? How is this person a science teacher?

To me, this is like saying it's perfectly normal for a human to be born blind because HEY, moles are blind!! But the key difference is moles have evolved to be blind, humans have not - to be blind in a human is to have a disability, whereas to be blind in a mole is to simply be a mole.

Apples and oranges...

Sorry for the rant but I've just been called 'stupid' and 'ignorant' for my above response to this image; apparently other people cannot see a difference between natural transsexualism and having an intersex condition. Not only that but this was all to back up the transgender movement - but yet again there's a world of difference between a natural sex transformation and a surgical one!?

Be warned, it gets worse...

What really frustrated me in this exchange was how when I mentioned that no human can literally change their sex, I got "As we speak scientists are developing artifical uterusses and eggs, and Pseudo-sperm produced from bone marrow". Now, I don't even have to look into whether those arguments are even valid to know that ARTIFICIAL and PSEUDO = NOT REAL.

I've even heard a transgendered woman claiming that as she can have sex with her neo-vagina, then it is a functioning vagina. No, it's a surgical wound that can be penetrated, it is not even a vagina - let alone a 'functioning' one. If you have to dilate your "vagina" just so the skin won't sew itself back together then how is it a real vagina? Ludicrous, I honestly cannot believe it has come to this.

Am I losing my damn mind?

venusinscorpio Thu 27-Apr-17 22:06:07

No, it's not just you. It's a spectacularly dumb meme written by an idiot and shared by idiots. I'd defriend anyone who shared it.

Datun Thu 27-Apr-17 23:26:37

It's definitely not you. You would be amazed by some of the unhinged things that transactivists say.

LilacMarin19 Thu 27-Apr-17 23:39:53

Yeah, I think I am only just reaching Peak Trans. It makes me feel sad though as one of my old friends who I care about deeply has just come out as a transman - funnily enough at University, so now I feel whenever I critique trans ideology that I am betraying her.

LilacMarin19 Thu 27-Apr-17 23:41:07

*him

Sorry, old habits. I feel the need to use his pronouns simply out of respect as a friend.

vesuvia Fri 28-Apr-17 13:07:19

As far as I'm aware, scientists have found no evidence that a fish or any other non-human animal that changes sex does so because it has a gender identity or body dysmorphia or feels that it was born in the wrong body. I think this makes such sex-changing animals irrelevant in justifying or explaining gender identity in transgender people.

Xenophile Fri 28-Apr-17 15:20:54

No, it's not just you it's anyone with even the most passing understanding of sexual dimorphism and evolutionary theory

LilacMarin19 Fri 28-Apr-17 15:44:40

You know I used to hate "TERFS"... But now? I think I may be becoming one 😂

I was pretty sure it couldn't just be me, but most of my "friends" seem to eat up trans-liberal stuff like cakes, so I feel very much in the minority for saying anything ""bad"" about it.

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans Fri 28-Apr-17 15:47:51

"You can also have males who look and act like females because they are trying to get close enough to actual females to mate with them".

I can't believe they actually included that bit.

Datun Fri 28-Apr-17 16:00:34

LilacMarin19

More and more people are seeing the emperors new clothes. It only takes one, then other people have the courage to start questioning.

InfinityPlusOne Fri 28-Apr-17 16:05:40

I've even heard a transgendered woman claiming that as she can have sex with her neo-vagina, then it is a functioning vagina. No, it's a surgical wound that can be penetrated, it is not even a vagina - let alone a 'functioning' one. If you have to dilate your "vagina" just so the skin won't sew itself back together then how is it a real vagina?

It clearly isn't a real vagina but a poor facsimile. Just goes to show you how they view a vagina though, as a hole for penetration.

LilacMarin19 Fri 28-Apr-17 16:06:09

Empress

You know I didn't pick up on the implications of that line until you picked it out.

Have any of you watched Blaire White's YouTube video? She (she passes a LOT) is a conservative transwoman who hates what the trans movement has become, she has debated self-confessed 'Genderf*ck' ContrPoints, and has made several videos debating Riley J Dennis and Milo Steward and all the other 'trans tenders' and 'special snowflakes' etc. She's very open about not being a real woman/being a male, who just chooses to live 'as a woman' for their own happiness. She is a breath of fresh air in the trans world imo.

InfinityPlusOne Fri 28-Apr-17 16:17:06

Lilac

Blaire is an anti-feminist who, whilst she doesn't believe she can change biological sex, does buy into gender nonsense.

ladyballs Fri 28-Apr-17 16:32:45

It's not you.

SweetGrapes Fri 28-Apr-17 16:36:30

Excellent meme! I call cuttlefish...

LilacMarin19 Fri 28-Apr-17 18:15:38

Infinity

I buy into some gender nonsense. I believe aspects of gender are completely socially constructed - the idea that girls like pink, dresses etc. However, I do think some of the things we associate with gender come from our different hormones. Different levels of estrogen and testosterone do lend themselves to different patterns of behavior between the sexes that are incorporated into genders. Other than the behaviours associated with hormones, I would say the remaining aspects of 'gender' are socially constructed.

I am aware she is an anti-feminist. I don't see why that means nobody can appreciate the videos about transgenderism.

InfinityPlusOne Fri 28-Apr-17 18:32:07

Lilac you are perfectly entitled to hold whatever view you like, as is Blaire.

However Blaire's views on gender are in opposition to what the prevailing view is on the feminism board though, so it's a safe bet she wouldn't be hailed as someone to admire and her views on feminism would clearly have an impact on that too.

InfinityPlusOne Fri 28-Apr-17 18:34:46

Hormones are a function of biology though, so my view is that they impact on the different sexes in different ways. Doesn't have to have anything to do with gender and you don't have to accept gender as a concept to acknowledge those differences.

LilacMarin19 Fri 28-Apr-17 18:47:15

Infinity, so would you say the idea of aggression and dominance/competitiveness in men linked to testosterone etc is part of sex? Because I've always thought that the outward behaviours caused by biology were part of gender? It could well be that these behaviours are one in the same as sex, which seems to be your view?

LilacMarin19 Fri 28-Apr-17 18:49:32

Infinity

That's fair enough. I suppose I can separate an individual into component parts and see merit worth admiring, but also aspects not worth admiring. I try not to let one aspect of someone's believes detract from the rest of their ideas.

LilacMarin19 Fri 28-Apr-17 18:50:21

*beliefs. Sorry, I'm always leaving typos.

venusinscorpio Fri 28-Apr-17 18:54:22

I agree with infinity. It's not all about hormones but they are a major part of it. It is definitely (IMO) not about a magical gender essence.

But with hormone treatment a male cannot become female, because "female" hormones work on female sexed bodies in a different way to male bodies.

InfinityPlusOne Fri 28-Apr-17 19:03:31

lilac Blaire's views on gender are obviously inextricably linked to her views on gender and she also buys into the whole 'TERF' nonsense which is part of her views on feminism.

I can sometimes separate out someones views on one thing and look at them overall, depending on the significance of the issue, but in this case, no Blaire's views on transgenderism aren't as refreshing as you are suggesting.

InfinityPlusOne Fri 28-Apr-17 19:06:34

Infinity, so would you say the idea of aggression and dominance/competitiveness in men linked to testosterone etc is part of sex?

Yes it is a result of their biological sex. We don't need the concept of gender to describe/understand this.

InfinityPlusOne Fri 28-Apr-17 19:07:40

Sorry my post above should read Blaire's views on gender are inextricably linked to her views on trans issues

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