just got my comment deleted on the Guardian website

[dangermouseisace]

silly students protesting against Jenni Murray.

All I did was point out, when someone asked how our sex was being erased, that trans women offend with similar patterns to men, and concerns about recent trans women rapists, also violent trans women being housed in female prisons. I said that if these crimes are recorded as female it reduces the argument for separate safe spaces for women.

I also said about sports, and trans women being accepted onto female teams, and funnily enough being better than actual women, and advised people look up the Iran womens football team.

What did I do that was so wrong???

[starzzzz]

Posted on the guardian, seriously!

[TheCountessofFitzdotterel]

They don't like facts on the Guardian.

[dangermouseisace]

I just couldn't help myself. I was reading it and IT WAS SO INFURIATING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yes I know too many !!!'s are a sign of madness my kids are away for the night, obviously I have too much time on my hands...

[BeyondUser24601]

I'm there...
Very surprised to see BTL open on this! Perhaps it's so they can delete six million posts and make it look like the TERFS were out in force being all transphobic and literally killing people...?

[BeyondUser24601]

Try posting each point in a separate post and see which ones get deleted to find out which thing you said was past The Line :)

[cuirderussie]

Dangermouse it's the Guardian...I've been deleted, put into pre-moderation and nearly kicked off there despite being a polite reasonable left wing feminist, they're illiberal dickheads! And yet I keep going back

[Childrenofthestones]

Its the left eating their own.
I am amazed you have never been deleted before.
They delete me all the time for anything that leans slightly away from the Borg mentality there.

[nauticant]

The Guardian is a joke and has been for years. This is a crying shame because I think there is a real space in the market for a serious left-leaning newspaper.

The amount of money The Guardian has spent in its journey of self-discovery up its own fundament is mind-boggling.

[BeyondUser24601]

Comments are about to close if anyone wants to get in quick...

[BeyondUser24601]

I can't imagine why they closed it...
I was gonna screenshot, but couldn't get enough on the screen so here's the link
www.theguardian.com/education/2017/apr/14/why-i-joined-the-trans-protest-against-womans-hours-jenni-murray#comment-96609065

[cuirderussie]

Ha, the remaining top comments are VERY gender critical, they can't delete them all! There is hope.

[BeyondUser24601]

I've just gone through the comment thread and done some liking of comments...

[cuirderussie]

Me too

[WhereYouLeftIt]

"According to studies, 38% of trans people have experienced physical intimidation and threats"
Pfft. That's a lot less than the percentage of women who have experienced physical intimidation and threats.

[Vanillagirl00]

I appreciate the concerns about the biological advantages trans women can have in sporting, over people assigned female status at birth, all relevant points. But implying that trans women are not 'actual women' - I can see why the Guardian have concern regarding that. Just answering what I can see, as you asked! It seems very acceptable generally still in society, so I can understand your questioning- to make these sort of comments against the trans community in general. A similar tone of comments towards other minority groups is more likely to be widely condoned. I hope and anticipate that attitudes generally towards people who identify themselves as trans will develop considerably over the years ahead.

[Terfinator]

The comments seemed to mainly support Murray, not whomever wrote the article.

[Floggingmolly]

Implying that trans woman are not actual women? What does that mean! They're not 'actual' women, they're trans women.

[Floggingmolly]

Bet I get deleted too...

[Destinysdaughter]

"trans women have lived their lives as women, just with different experiences of what it is to be a woman”.

Sorry but that's just bollocks!

[Floggingmolly]

It doesn't even make any real sense, does it? It's like me saying I've lived my life as a pony, just with a (very!) different experience of being a pony.
The whole thing is starting to resemble George Orwell's Newspeak.

[Between4and30characters]

The Guardian published this cartoon depicting Theresa May being sodomised by Donald Trump.

I don't read it anymore and I think expecting anything other than misogony from the Guardian is the triumph of hope over experience.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2017/jan/26/steve-bell-uk-us-theresa-may-donald-trump-cartoon

[Vanillagirl00]

They are recognised as 'actual women' legally, if they have been through the Gender Recognition procedures in the UK (basically uncomfortable in gender of birth, lived in acquired gender for two years- fairly basic criteria).

[Floggingmolly]

So why are convicted rapists still recognised as actual women then? Surely they've violated the terms of "living in the acquired gender" since actual women would not be physically capable of this?
Is slapping on a bit of lipstick a la that Jennings person enough to mitigate that?

[Vanillagirl00]

Actual women by your own definition... 'actual women' legally is a different matter. So legally they would be physically capable... and not all transwomen are lovely, just like any other section in society unfortunately.

[WhereYouLeftIt]

Vanillagirl00 - "people assigned female status at birth".
Assigned? Really? No. I was not assigned female - I was recognised as female. 'Assigned' is a term used for those born intersex, where there is physical ambiguity, where a choice is made. There is no choice being made for 99.99% of births - 'It's a girl!' is a recognition of fact.

And FYI - intersex people are not happy about the transgender movement trying to blur the lines between them - and I quote -
""This trend towards 'muscling in' on intersex issues seems to be a initiative on the part of certain politically-minded people in the 'trans' community, to bring intersex under their banner (for whatever reason - it lends more credibility to their cause?) or even to actively interfere in clinical issues relating to intersex. See Announcements for an account of the problems we had in 2000 with a gender dysphoria/transsexual organisation trying to interfere in protocols for 'gender reinforcement' surgery in intersexed infants with so-called genital ambiguity.. www.aissg.org/21_OVERVIEW.HTM#Terminology

"They are recognised as 'actual women' legally"
And limited companies are legally artificial people. Doesn't make them real people.