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user1490125033 Mon 27-Mar-17 01:48:24

Apparently men who murder their girlfriends and feed them to dogs are rewarded with a career in football. Piece of shit.

0phelia Mon 27-Mar-17 09:54:12

???? My gob is well and truly smacked.

LivMoore Mon 27-Mar-17 11:51:01

I'm not even sure where to begin.
I saw this today. This man was spared a jail sentence so he could be signed by leicester cricket club. Whilst his victim is still suffering the fall out of his abuse.

BonjourMinou Mon 27-Mar-17 12:13:17

I don't understand how winning a sport can be so important it's worth justifying allowing these abusive murderers onto a team.

And as for deciding the second victim wasn't vulnerable because she was intelligent enough for a degree... oh well that's alright then!

It's cases like these that really show up how little some men think women matter.

highinthesky Mon 27-Mar-17 12:17:24

Why was he released after just 7 years? He may have behaved well in prison, but he certainly behaved very poorly outside it.

I don't know what Brazilian society is like, but I can't imagine he'd survive for 2 minutes in the UK. It would be a case of death-assisted-by-redtop.

Datun Mon 27-Mar-17 12:22:02

Ugh. That poor woman's family. Seven paltry years. I don't think that would ever happen here. Utterly premeditated and barbaric.

I know nothing about football, would we ever be required to play that team? I think there would be outrage.

LivMoore Mon 27-Mar-17 12:35:17

I don't think so datun as it's a league 2 team and I don't think they play internationally.
It's all so sad.
The comments made by Mustafa Bashir's defence blamed the victim saying she made him do it. I just have no words today. Hopefully I'll be angry tomorrow.
Went on the Leicester County Cricket Club website and they are totally denying any knowledge of or communication with Bashir. So it seems his defence lawyer used this to imply that a custodial sentence would ruin a non-existent blossoming career.
I can't begin to comprehend being Fakhara, (Bashir's victim) and being beated, abused and threatened by my husband and desperately calling my family for help and them telling me I had to obey him. And now being let down by the juducial system too.

user1490125033 Mon 27-Mar-17 12:49:57

Atm the number one biggest cess pit of misogyny is football.

DJBaggySmalls Mon 27-Mar-17 12:52:59

I feel like I've wandered into a Kafka book.

BMacklin Mon 27-Mar-17 12:53:10

"Club president Rone Moraes da Costa released a statement amid the fury, claiming Boa Esporte were doing a positive thing by helping to restore a person to society by giving him work."

How noble of them.

TalkingintheDark Mon 27-Mar-17 13:23:46

That really is horrific. Why was he even let out after just seven years?

Re the Bashir case, it's good at least that it looks like Leicestershire never had any intention of signing him, although it does paint his defence in a despicable light. But the ignorance on the part of the judge of the reality of abusive relationships, that is really scary. There are so many judges out there who clearly lack ANY training whatsoever in the field of abuse, both abusive adult relationships, and child abuse.

There was a judge I was reading about recently who's now retired but last year he said a music teacher should not only be spared jail despite having 3,500 images of child abuse and bestiality, including images of girls as young as three being abused, but should still be allowed to teach children as long as the parents were aware of his conviction and were happy to go ahead.

His rationale was that he hadn't directly abused any of his pupils thus far despite having ample opportunity, so he was unlikely to in the future; plus twelve sets of parents wrote to the court on his behalf. It's fucking mind boggling both on the part of the judge and the fucked up parents. Even if he never touched the children he was teaching, they have the right to be protected from him.

How would it feel for one of those children to subsequently learn that the music teacher they trusted, and spent time alone with, was in fact a paedophile? Not only that, but that their parents knew and a judge knew and they enabled it? Some people's values are just beyond belief.

I googled the judge - Christopher Ball his name is - and he had a few of these cases where he'd gone very lightly on sex offenders, often saying stuff like "you're basically a decent man who just got sucked into viewing this nasty stuff via the route of totally normal porn" (paraphrasing there), really, really questionable views.

And in the case of a 42 year old man who'd sexually abused three underage teenage girls, he COMPETELY blamed the victims and even said he'd thought about "naming and shaming" them - he presented this MIDDLE AGED man as the hapless victim of these scheming young hussies and again sent him off with a bit of a slap on the wrist.

There is so much disconnect in society re child abuse/abusive relationships. It frightens me that there are judges here in the UK who are demonstrably so ignorant/misinformed/in denial about the reality of abuse and no one is monitoring them. No one is holding them to account and making sure they get proper training to bust myths like the idea that "strong", educated women can't be vulnerable to abuse.

Sorry for the derail away from the original case, OP; I think it falls in a similar category of unbelievable though. You'd think there would be more awareness after Savile and Rotherham et al, but no. Denial reigns supreme.

Prawnofthepatriarchy Mon 27-Mar-17 13:33:35

The total lack of concern for the victims is extremely depressing. Women really don't matter, do we?

user1490617917 Mon 27-Mar-17 13:38:20

I hate men

Elendon Mon 27-Mar-17 19:20:13

Re the Cricketer link the judge said this

'But I am not convinced she was a vulnerable person. Sometimes women who moved her from their country become trapped in a relationship where they lose their support network of family and friends and cannot speak the language.
'This is not the case. She is plainly an intelligent woman with a network of friends and did go on to graduate university with a 2:1 and a masters - although this has had an ongoing affect on her. She had difficult trusting people now, especially men.'

Makes no sense but then, she's only a woman.

And as for the original link, words no longer fail me. Some men get off on this shit. It's that plain and that simple.

Elendon Mon 27-Mar-17 19:28:48

Another woman killed and because the man is a 'sports hero' he gets to have his life back. Let no ever say that men who do this shit loose out. That their life is ruined. No Fucking Way.

She was a beautiful woman who had his child and dared to ask him for money. So he killed her.

Elendon Mon 27-Mar-17 19:30:48

In fact if scrot footballer choose to change to being a woman then he may well end up being woman of the year!

Deadbeat father
Deadbeat man

shinynewusername Tue 28-Mar-17 08:31:04

In fairness (through gritted teeth) to the judge, judges are specifically required to consider whether victims are especially vulnerable. So he didn't just chuck this into the mix for the hell of it. He was required to do so. GOK how any judge is supposed to make anything other than a superficial assessment, given that a victim won't even necessarily have testified in court and - even if she has - will have been giving evidence about the crime, not her own circumstances.

I don't think the problem here is primarily the judge. It is our insane legal system, in which victims of violence - especially women - are forced to prove over and over again that they are worthy of sympathy or protection.

KindDogsTail Tue 28-Mar-17 12:50:07

I too just read about the abusive cricketer in The Times and was coming to post here as it is so infuriating.

The man beat his wife with a cricket back and forced her to drink bleach, but his sentence has been suspended because the judge is not convinced she is vulnerable as she has a degree, and a network of friends!

The judge also wanted to make sure the abuser could take up an offer to join a cricket team, which offer it turns out never existed anyway.

I had no idea judges were allowed to work in this field with such a lack of the most basic knowledge about abuse and its effects; or with such a dismissive attitude to the assault and abuse of a woman, that he would put a guilty man's job offer above all other the considerations when sentencing him.

Datun Tue 28-Mar-17 12:59:58

Only 25% of judges are female. Although that is improving in the younger age bracket (under 40).

KindDogsTail Tue 28-Mar-17 13:14:43

In Brazil people, including the police, get away killing people a lot of the time. She was probably just another disposable woman when it came down to it.

That is interesting about that judge CB TalkingintheDark. I just looked him up and what he said about those girls shows complete a lack of understanding.
Is there any watchdog for judges, I wonder?

venusinscorpio Tue 28-Mar-17 13:16:10

In Brazil 13 women are killed every day, that's known murder victims, not necessarily all the women who disappear without trace.

TalkingintheDark Tue 28-Mar-17 22:39:37

The Bashir case is on the news now - looks like there's a possibility of it being looked at again link here

Some sanity emerging perhaps?

Hurrah for Jess Phillips and her comments, and even Maria Miller has said something useful for once. Looks like there's a thread in this in the in the news section on here too.

If only there was something positive to report about the situation in Brazil too.

TalkingintheDark Tue 28-Mar-17 22:40:19

Actually the thread's in AIBU

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