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Fuming about this atrocious mother on BBC radio who believes girls can't be girls if they ike pirates

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MsFire Tue 20-Sep-16 14:22:50

Speechless at the lack of quesitoning by the reporter about the assumptions on gender expressed by this mother. She is screwing up an already confused child, when all she needed to say was "girls can wear trousers and like Wolverine." I am going to complain to Radio 4.

Xenophile Tue 20-Sep-16 15:19:07

Is this the mother who regularly asks their child what gender they are today? And who's other mother 'came out' as a vegetarian?

Yes, she's an oddball and no mistake.

Amandahugandkisses Tue 20-Sep-16 15:29:44

What an absolute croc of shit.

"Leo is more boy than girl"

SomeDyke Tue 20-Sep-16 17:13:24

Is the same 'Leo' as referred to in the BBC magazine:

Typical mish-mash of male/female, boy/girl, masculine/feminine as if these are all equivalent. Whereas they said:
"I got really frustrated because I asked why none of the girls got boys' parts in a play that we were doing."
Which is a perfectly valid question, and no reason why girls can't play Hamlet and so on (especially if they have chosen a play with few decent parts for girls playing girls!). Instead, this becomes evidence that someone isn't entirely a girl.

And frankly, I find the mothers reported question:
" You've always been more attracted to boys, would you be gay man or a straight man?" You don't like the 'girl' stereotypes, so let's see if the 'gay man' ones fit you any better -- of a TEN year-old who has quite rightly noticed that (some) of the expected girl stuff is a right pain!

This line:
"There isn't a body of the two genders. I just wish there was some way in the middle." is quite scary. To me this sounds like a line of thought that ends up with someone with top but not bottom surgery as some sort of 'in-between' body.

This person needs to be told that being female doesn't mean you have to feel like anything.

LassWiTheDelicateAir Tue 20-Sep-16 18:50:16

" You've always been more attracted to boys, would you be gay man or a straight man?"

I can't get my head round asking that question of a 10 year old.

LassWiTheDelicateAir Tue 20-Sep-16 18:56:44

Which is a perfectly valid question, and no reason why girls can't play Hamlet and so on

If you are teaching English in the UK I think it is pretty disgraceful to be unaware of the well established tradition of actresses (deliberate choice of word) playing male Shakespeare roles. There is no reason why that can't be done in a classroom.

ageingrunner Tue 20-Sep-16 18:57:37

Maybe social services will be interested? <hopeful>

LassWiTheDelicateAir Tue 20-Sep-16 19:01:20

age I do think there is something a bit sleazy and , for want of a better word, "off" in effectively quizzing a 10 year old about their sexual preferences.

WinchesterWoman Tue 20-Sep-16 19:06:28

Adult transactivists are highly vested in transing children. Men who enjoy cross-dressing and now want to get into women's toilets see the chance to back up the narrative that gender is truly innate, and the younger the better. Children are being exploited by adults here; and the liberal media is beholden to the trans agenda.

WinchesterWoman Tue 20-Sep-16 19:06:52

Or the Transborg, as somebody rather marvellously called it on another thread.

Xenophile Tue 20-Sep-16 19:13:53

Not just that reason WW. Transing children 'validates' the 'born this way' or 'born in the wrong body' 'always been a woman' rhetoric that Gets spat at anyone daring to suggest that a man in a frock is just a man in a frock. If you can show that small children also think they're awful and wrong, then you can pretend that it's a normal part of humanity. No matter how much you fuck with the child's self image by telling them that they're 'wrong' though, eh? angry

SomeDyke Tue 20-Sep-16 20:05:29

My other post was supposed to be a question "Is this the same Leo?" rather than a statement -- but I'm pretty sure it is.

Just shows, given the previous reports of FtM and MtF trans kids in schools, how it is progressing to the non-binary as well.

Another bit of this that really annoys me is the appropriation of the issues surrounding intersex children. Given the struggles there to not operate on kids. What are we telling those kids?

Saying you're not a boy and not a girl -- to most people (unless you are actually intersex) this is just nonsensical. You are really one or the other. You could be a non-feminine, non-gender-conforming interesting type of girl who wanted to play Hamlet in the school play ('cos that's the best part -- not that I think 10 year olds are doing Hamlet but I can't think of a suitable play!). Doesn't mean you're not a girl just 'cos you don't feel like whatever it is society thinks a girl ought to feel like......

And honestly, if a kid said to me they weren't a boy or a girl, then I would logically expect that to mean they were intersex!

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer Tue 20-Sep-16 20:16:52

Stupid woman

Ann Bonny
Mary Read

Pirates in possession of a vagina hmm

ChocChocPorridge Tue 20-Sep-16 20:38:14

This is awful - who on earth, upon hearing their kid get frustrated that they can't play a male part because they're a girl, in a primary school play, thinks that the problem is with the girl, not with the school!

On another forum I fell into conversation with a MTT talking about puberty blockers for boys, and he said had some very worrying opinions around not letting puberty 'spoil' their young bodies. So I think there is also an element in the Trans community that has much more nefarious purposes for pushing trans at non-gender-conforming (ridiculous phrase - as if someone could produce any kind of list) kids.

Cocoabutton Tue 20-Sep-16 20:41:31

My DD was shown a video at school about a girl who from the age of two was saying she was a boy. Obviously it was about trans*.

I asked DD if there would be an issue if babies were not decked out in pink and blue from the year dot. I am SO angry. Not at DD but that this is being peddled in schools as the new orthodoxy. She says she feels like a girl. I said what does a girl feel like? You are [name].

I feel like I have opened my mouth and said heresy to her. She had her lost and crestfallen face. I feel so mean and out of step with the world, but people are people. When did I start inhabiting this place where you have to be a girl or boy, not just a child?

smarterthanhim Tue 20-Sep-16 20:45:13

I'm so glad to read this thread. I got into an argument at work about this and thought I was to odds with the whole world! It's regressive madness!

Amandahugandkisses Tue 20-Sep-16 20:52:42

Leo's younger brother sounded like he was being brainwashed he kept saying "she" until his mother hissed at him to say "he" in the background.
I don't know where to begin at how awful that recording was. It sounded like a child being brainwashed.

Batteriesallgone Tue 20-Sep-16 20:58:06

How old is your DD Cocoa? I am shock that kids in schools are being taught this

WinchesterWoman Tue 20-Sep-16 21:03:40

Choc porridge that's just full on creepy

HouseMouseQueen Tue 20-Sep-16 21:12:34

I'm listening to this now and I'm quite disgusted. Kids are quite honest about mirroring back what society is telling them. This is why girls think they're boys, because we all know that femininity is a prison for girls and the only way to attempt to escape a life of submission and pain, girls will say they're really boys. They know the world opens up to them if they rid themselves of femininity. They might not be able to verbalize all the political and social implications but they say 'THIS FEELS WRONG.'

Yes! Femininity is a prison and 'IT FEELS WRONG.'

She wants to freely participate as a full human being and her teacher didn't take HER seriously when she wanted to try out for a 'boys part' in a play. Once you close off an avenue to a girl based on the fact she's a girl, you create more bars in that prison.

Her mother is completely uneducated on this subject. I hope mom finds a gender critical site ASAP. She said 'a MALE MIND.' WTF is that?

This little girl is rebelling against gender, not against her biology.

This is clear when she describes how she doesn't hate her body but she does hate what her body MEANS in society. She already knows at 10 yrs old that her growing breasts are going to be sexualized. That's why she talked about the fact that in a few years she 'wont' be able to get away with' wearing a sports shirt.

The reason she wants a 'middle body' is because she doesn't want to be hypersexualized. She knows that the moment her breasts grow that she will never be allowed to simply be human. She'll be hypersexualized and preyed upon by half the population. That's fucking scary as hell.

Cocoabutton Tue 20-Sep-16 21:13:07

She is in year 9. I don't want to bring up the subject again with her, but I am honestly wondering who made and distributed the film.

i just feel sad that this is the world she is growing up in; that I so fundamentally disagree with what she is being taught because she needs to make up her own mind. But it is so historically and culturally situated, and I see it as harmful. People are people.

Cocoabutton Tue 20-Sep-16 21:19:43

DD was allowed to play a male part in primary school. She sees no barriers to her because of her sex. She has a working professional single mother. She thinks the world is at her feet, and I hope it will be. No-one has told her she cannot fulfil her dreams because she is a girl.

WinchesterWoman Tue 20-Sep-16 21:22:09

I quite like it when children do that Cocoa. It's fun.

LassWiTheDelicateAir Tue 20-Sep-16 22:16:29

She sees no barriers to her because of her sex

And of course she should not. I don't think statements like "and the only way to attempt to escape a life of submission and pain, girls will say they're really boys" are at all helpful in encouraging girls to be confident.

Leo's mother however is something else-"out and proud as a vegetarian" fgs.

Kallyno Tue 20-Sep-16 22:38:53

"Mum was completely on board. Totally interested." (from the article linked to)

I bet she was. Why oh why can't everyone see that this child is vulnerable and being manipulated by her parents?!

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