Would anyone mind if I started a thread about Johnny Depp and Amber Heard here?

[ToadsJustFellFromTheSky]

Because quite frankly I'm getting sick of all the misogynist crap I'm seeing everywhere else about this.

I've said this before but I'll say it again. There could be a clear video of Johnny beating the shit out of Amber released tomorrow and there would still be people defending him whilst slagging her off - "he was drunk so he probably didn't know what he was doing", "she probably provoked him", "it's a lie!", "it's fake!", etc.

He could probably even beat her to a pulp on a red carpet in front of cameras and people would still be falling at his feet .

Given all the evidence it is actually far more likely that he has been abusive towards her than it is she is making the whole thing up, yet people are still defending him and calling her a liar.

Even people who believe he has been abusive towards her still seem to defend him and blame her. Someone on Facebook said this morning that he probably had hit her but she had it coming and must have done something to deserve it

[ToadsJustFellFromTheSky]

I wonder how many posts it will take before someone starts posting misogynist crap on this thread? Anyone want to take any bets?

[Uphegoesdownhegoes]

I've seen a few women on Twitter suggest that he was just demonstrating his method acting. FFS.

[ToadsJustFellFromTheSky]

I wonder if Amber has more footage of him being aggressive and possibly being violent towards her?

She's probably not going to release it if she has. It will be used in court as evidence though no doubt.

I bet even if he is convicted people still won't believe. They'll just say he's another poor innocent man who was wrongly convicted.

[PinkyofPie]

Hi Toads, thank you for starting this, any Amber and Jonny thread started in Chat is always swarming with Victim blaming apologists who have tantrums when you call them on their victim blaming. It would be nice to have a sensible discussion about these 2 without having to spend my whole time explaining to people why it's bad to abuse women

Have you seen the latest evidence of how he cut his finger, dipped it in blue paint and wrote messages about her alleged infidelity with Billy Bob Thornton on a cupboard?

[PinkyofPie]

BTW I give it to page 2 before the apologists come along to froth about how "he didn't even hit her". They're never far away

[TealLove]

Oh and the -
"Vanessa Paradis said he was the perfect gentleman to her! "

[DoitotmeSheldon]

Read yesterdays post like some peoples attitude to domestic violence scares me it really does

[MadameCholetsDirtySecret]

The vilification of Amber Heard is sickening. I imagine that her Hollywood career is going to suffer too due to the rampant misogyny in the industry.

[PinkyofPie]

Apparently calling people out on their victim blaming makes me as bad as a wife beater

[princessmombi]

I believe her. When they first got together JD still looked pretty good but in later pictures he looks bloated and puffy likes he's been drinking etc heavily for a long period. That video of him smashed first thing in the morning is quite chilling. She sounds wobbly and scared.

[PinkyofPie]

YY princess I thought there was nothing fake about her and she sounded like the other 1 in 4 women who experience DV - desperate to placate and utterly terrified

[MsKite]

I believe her

[princessmombi]

She sounded like I did once. Trying to figure out what to say that won't escalate the perp.

[MsKite]

Yes I recognised that too, princessmombi

[Xenophile]

The victim blaming and rape apology on MN is becoming bloody awful.

I used to live through days of my ex behaving like JD is in that video, slamming about, being basically incoherent, drinking, taking drugs... it was almost a relief when he finally did batter the fuck out of me or rape me because it would stop for a little while.

Maybe, according to the MN pundits crew, I deserved it.

[OneFlewOverTheDodosNest]

I can't bring myself to watch the video but sadly it doesn't surprise me that people are willing to ignore his behaviour and blame her. Hollywood has a very, very long list of men who've got away with murder (sometimes literally) whilst holding on to hoards of adoring idiots fans.

[FreshwaterSelkie]

The victim blaming has been awful. You're right, Toads, there is no evidence in the world that would convince some people that he is anything other than maligned and misunderstood innocent.

I give it another dozen posts before someone is on here explaining to us that she got that bruise by walking into a door or something.

I found the video chilling. Only slightly more chilling than the posters who blame her for goading him in it, mind you.

[StealthPolarBear]

How have I missed all this?? I spotter s headline yesterday on some magazine that he and v might be getting back together. I guess violent johnny doesn't sell as many magazines

[WomanWithAltitude]

I believe her. She has nothing to gain by lying, and all the evidence so far points to him being abusive.

People blind themselves to it because they don't want to admit that a man they admire could be a violent criminal. Just like people are quick to cry false accusation when a man they know is accused of rape. Isn't it funny how the evidence shows that only a tiny proportion of rape and db complaints are false, but any discussion of those crimes brings out loads of people who know someone who was definitely falsely accused?

We are conditioned to believe men over women because the idea that women are liars / don't say what they mean / scheming / manipulative / can't be trusted is the dominant narrative.

[WomanWithAltitude]

^ dv complaints

[JacquettaWoodville]

I believe her.

xenophile.

[EnthusiasmDisturbed]

I beleive her

It's hard to get my head around that so many want to believe she was only after his money and fame yet totally overlook her bruised face

And the he needs help yes he needs to stop being abusive and and to stop his drinking but again the sympathy is turned on him what about Amber needing help through all this

comments are no different from the DM comments just more reasoning

[Felascloak]

Xenophile
I agree with what you say about victim blaming too, I don't know if it's a general societal backlash or just MN getting bigger
It's infuriating though.

[Felascloak]

enthusiasm what frustrates me is the number of people saying her face wasn't that bruised immediately after and that she must have done something for the photos. Have they never had a bad bruise and seen it takes a couple of days to look it's worst?

[AristotlesTrousers]

I don't know if it's just my perception, but victim blaming/rape & abuse apology generally seems to be getting worse in society lately, and on MN too. I wish there was an obvious solution/campaign that would change people's minds, but sadly I don't think there would be enough agreement or support for any solution to be effective. It's appalling, and just not good enough. The whole narrative of our society in regard to abuse survivors and abusers needs to change.