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Having sex with transwomen is so much better than with those frigid women

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AskBasil Tue 02-Aug-16 11:43:43 Have a look at this. Look how much contempt for real women there is, on this site.

Women have horrible vaginas and we're frigid. Luckily there's transwomen who are much better, but don't worry guys, they're really real women, so you won't be gay if you fuck them.

Xenophile Tue 02-Aug-16 11:46:02

You know when you're walking in mountains, and you think you've got to the peak, only to get there and find there's more to go and it's worse?

This is how I feel about every peak trans moment

NeedACleverNN Tue 02-Aug-16 11:47:35

How lovely.

OurBlanche Tue 02-Aug-16 11:47:53

I am not even going to look... Xenophile has probably captured its essence !

Unicornsarelovely Tue 02-Aug-16 11:55:24

It's like the revolting fires rating prostitutes really isn't it. Horribly Misogynistic quite apart from the trans points.

dizzyfeck Tue 02-Aug-16 12:06:54

Fetish article that makes all women, trans included, into an object of men's sexual pleasure. Disgusting article. Makes me want to vomit.

MrsMushrooms Tue 02-Aug-16 12:10:50

Although the article is obviously disgusting, your use of the term 'real women' is quite unfair. I don't think trans-exclusionary feminism is very helpful to anybody at all!

grimbletart Tue 02-Aug-16 12:11:47

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Xenophile Tue 02-Aug-16 12:13:50

MrsM.. I fear the author of that article has self excluded from feminism. And not just because they were born a man.

RufusTheReindeer Tue 02-Aug-16 12:15:16

oh good lord

What a complete load of bollocks

(I need some good non genital related words hmm)

MorrisZapp Tue 02-Aug-16 12:15:55

Peak peak peak! Dons knapsack, grabs crampon, eats mintcake.

Xenophile Tue 02-Aug-16 12:19:15

IKR Morris, it's like scaling the entire Alpine ranges.

RufusTheReindeer Tue 02-Aug-16 12:19:38

Dont get excited morris grin

I am fairly convinced that there will be more "peak" to come

Save some of the mint cake

BreakfastAtSquiffanys Tue 02-Aug-16 12:20:53

That's a hell of an article.
Manages to insult transwomen, born women, gay men, bisexual men and straight men in a few short paragraphs.

FreshwaterSelkie Tue 02-Aug-16 12:24:36

I'm ok with my feminism excluding anyone who is openly contemptuous of women, such as the author of this article, and anyone who thinks it's saying something worth saying.

Just horrid on every level. Unpleasant, delusional, misogynist and not even well written.

FreshwaterSelkie Tue 02-Aug-16 12:29:18

Oops, should say "this article was just horrid on every level".

BreakfastAtSquiffanys Tue 02-Aug-16 12:29:41

I also have a sneaking suspicion that the author hasn't actually slept with many women at all, trans or otherwise.
The whole article screams bad trans Mills and Boon

KittensandKnitting Tue 02-Aug-16 12:36:09

im speechless...

GladAllOver Tue 02-Aug-16 12:36:16

trans-exclusionary feminism

WTF does that mean? Why do people have to make up all these weird definitions instead of saying what they mean?

AskBasil Tue 02-Aug-16 12:40:47

I don't think the use of the term real women is unfair Mrs M, so we'll have to disagree.

I don't think transwomen are real women. That doesn't mean I want them persecuted, or don't believe that they are entitled to dignity, respect and human rights. It's just that I don't believe they are women in the sense that someone who has experienced girlhood and the biological reality of womanhood, is a woman.

I'm done bending over backwards to avoid using language that might upset or anger transwomen. I don't go out of my way to do so, obviously, but I won't hedge my language anymore, to spare the feelings of biological XY people from the class which oppresses my class.. I'm prepared to be civil, polite, even kind by using her when I mean him - but I will not describe real women as cis and not pretend that people who are XY with male socialisation, are women. And if we need a term to differentiate women from transwomen, then real seems to me to capture it, though I'm happy to accept a less upsetting term as long as it's not at the expense of reality.

ReaWithson Tue 02-Aug-16 12:41:39

transgender woman are women, and in many ways they are probably the only women around. A transgender woman, due to her unique position of being born in the wrong body, understands the needs and desires of men in ways that are impossible for an average cis-woman

ReaWithson Tue 02-Aug-16 12:43:08

Apparently women are not real women - transwomen are confused

NeedACleverNN Tue 02-Aug-16 12:47:57


<falls about laughing>

That is ridiculous. It's a way for homophobic men to indulge their forbidden fantasies and still be allowed amongst his friends cos "it's a woman really init"

What a ridiculous thing for them to say

AndYourBirdCanSing Tue 02-Aug-16 12:48:58

Fucking hell.

I agree- I wouldn't call transwomen 'real' women. They're not confused

lionheart Tue 02-Aug-16 12:49:44

I thought the Op was being facetious with the use of that term.

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