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NI 'miscarriage' case

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DingbatsFur Mon 04-Apr-16 22:53:57

I'm not sure how widely reported this case has been outside of NI but I thought this board might fin it interesting.
Anything that sheds light on NI's poor handling of abortion is welcome but this story is such a sad case.

SpeakNoWords Mon 04-Apr-16 23:12:08

It's an awful story. It is a huge injustice that had she lived in England/Scotland/Wales she would have been able to have the abortion for free via the NHS or one of the other organisations that provide it. Instead she has been criminalised. It is shocking.

LassWiTheDelicateAir Tue 05-Apr-16 00:20:24

So sad. The only consolation is she got a suspended sentence and the judge sounded frustrated by the absurdity of the situation too.

sashh Tue 05-Apr-16 10:39:23

It is all over twitter - so sad for a number of reasons, but the law in NI makes my blood boil.

It's sad that she was i this situation, it is sadder still that her housemates called the police.

It is disgusting that a woman (or child) who is British and lives in the UK has no right to a safe medical procedure and that seeking a remedy has given her a criminal record. That if she had got the money together to get to England then she would not be entitled to NHS treatment.

I know abortion support network do a lot of good work but it really is crap that they have to.

Heirhelp Tue 05-Apr-16 16:11:16

That poor women, having to go through a termination with no medical support and then to be prosecuted for it.

I am currently pregnant with a plannef and wanted child but my pregnancy experience has made me more aware of the impact that an unwanted pregnancy could have on a women. It is so injustice that women in NI do not have autonomy over their own health and life.

DingbatsFur Tue 05-Apr-16 20:49:39
This is a follow up from 'Precious Life'!

PalmerViolet Tue 05-Apr-16 21:33:31

Precious life are such a bunch of utter arses.

Smyth should have gone down for the harassment charge.

LassWiTheDelicateAir Wed 06-Apr-16 00:53:16

It's sad that she was i this situation, it is sadder still that her housemates called the police

I know. I really can't get my head round that.

JustEat314 Wed 06-Apr-16 07:27:22

That poor woman.

OneFlewOverTheDodosNest Wed 06-Apr-16 14:12:47

I've had an abortion and I was friends with a lot of Irish people at the time - I confided in one particularly close female friend about the situation and she decided to recruit the rest of them to try to stop me going through with it.

When I still had the procedure they were foul - if I hadn't been subject to their vitriol I never would have believed it possible from them, or anyone else. I can fully believe that girl's housemates would have wanted her arrested for what she did - I think my former friends would have done the same to me if it had been possible.

VertigoNun Wed 06-Apr-16 14:16:28

Very sad that someone goes through the process and then witch hunted by so called friends and the state.

JustEat314 Wed 06-Apr-16 14:25:03

Yeh with friends like that, who needs enemies shock

notamummy10 Wed 06-Apr-16 14:45:43

It's shocking!!

Northern Ireland is so behind the rest of the United Kingdom! Actually Ireland in general are backwards. If an Irish woman wants an abortion, she has to travel to England/Scotland/Wales to go through with the procedure then they can't speak out about it.

I'm sorry pro-lifers but abortion is a woman's right; also it's her well entitled choice!

PalmerViolet Wed 06-Apr-16 17:05:38

The flatmates have spoken out, they tried to coerce her into carrying a foetus she didn't want and then apparently, the young woman failed to show what her flatmates deemed to be the correct set of emotions about it all, so they dobbed her in.

Just when you think your flabber was about as ghasted as it's possible to be...


JustEat314 Wed 06-Apr-16 17:31:06

What a coven of heartless bitches. Shame on them.

VertigoNun Wed 06-Apr-16 17:32:44

That article hasn't helped their case.

JustEat314 Wed 06-Apr-16 17:34:13

One of them was twenty years older than the poor girl who took the pills. ''i really tried to help her''. God, makes me mad. I would have felt maternal towards a 19 year old girl in trouble at 38. Not self-righteous bullshit about my own alleged distress.

VertigoNun Wed 06-Apr-16 17:39:22

The ages made me wonder if theye are family.

PalmerViolet Wed 06-Apr-16 17:41:31

No, she said she hardly knew the flatmates, makes me wonder if she had come to Belfast to work and gone into a flatshare arrangement.

MadeinBelfast Wed 06-Apr-16 17:53:56

It makes me so sad, frustrated and angry. Smyth is a vile person, she needs to just let it rest now the case is over.

LassWiTheDelicateAir Wed 06-Apr-16 18:15:43

Incidentally I assume that if there were a vote to leave the EU that women in the Republic of Ireland would no longer be able to travel to the UK for an abortion. It would not affect women in the north but if UK was no longer part of the EU the Irish government probably could stop women travelling.

VertigoNun Wed 06-Apr-16 18:17:49

Women travelled from Ireland to England, for abortions in the 60's.

LassWiTheDelicateAir Wed 06-Apr-16 18:20:11

But openly ?

Didn't the Irish government try to stop women travelling but were prevented from doing so due to the rules on free movement and provision of services in the EU?

MaudGonneMad Wed 06-Apr-16 18:23:35

Didn't the Irish government try to stop women travelling but were prevented from doing so due to the rules on free movement and provision of services in the EU?

The X Case in 1992 revolved around this - the Attorney General obtained a High Court injunction to prevent a 14 year old rape victim from being taken to England for an abortion by her parents. The Supreme Court overturned that injunction. There was a referendum the same year on the right to travel for abortion, and the Irish people voted in favour of that right. Nothing to do with the EU, as far as I know.

The rape victim miscarried shortly after the Supreme Court verdict. The AG case came about because her parents contacted the Gardai to see if they wanted DNA samples from the aborted pregnancy to strengthen the case against her rapist.

VertigoNun Wed 06-Apr-16 18:35:18

Who would know why you were visiting England in most cases? You could be visiting Aunt Nellie or sightseeing.

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