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Clinton or Sanders?

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LionsLedge Sun 07-Feb-16 14:33:55

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PosieReturningParker Sun 07-Feb-16 15:19:08

As a feminist you should vote for the candidate based on their policies that align with yours NOT the candidate with a vagina.

Bernie is the right choice.

PosieReturningParker Sun 07-Feb-16 15:19:43

Also hope Warren is Vice President, I love her.

Monison Sun 07-Feb-16 15:30:59

I think it will be hugely damaging for women if Hillary is not selected, again. There are not many men with her talents who have not achieved selection so I think the message to women around the world if she is not selected will be that the top jobs just aren't for women. It's sad that she gets so much criticism. Any woman attempting to get to the top is expected to be perfect, men not so much.

SenecaFalls Sun 07-Feb-16 15:36:05

Clinton, because among other things, she actually has a chance of winning. (No one who calls himself a socialist can get elected to the presidency in the US.) I voted for her in my state's primary in 2008 and plan to again.

I really like Warren, too. I hope she runs for the presidency at some point.

Tiggeryoubastard Sun 07-Feb-16 15:40:12

Staying with a husband that fucks around continuously and making her into a joke doesn't make me feel her judgement is sound. And that's a valid reason why people dont identify as feminists a lot, merits are more important than a vagina.

LionsLedge Sun 07-Feb-16 15:53:42

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TheXxed Sun 07-Feb-16 15:53:56

Hilary decimated welfare which disproportionately affects women, she is hawkish in the extreme when in comes to foreign policy but she supports pp.hmm yayayayay women.

LineyReborn Sun 07-Feb-16 15:58:09

Genuine question: how many of his policy proposals would Sanders actually be able to implement?

LionsLedge Sun 07-Feb-16 15:58:46

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LionsLedge Sun 07-Feb-16 16:00:52

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SenecaFalls Sun 07-Feb-16 16:12:26

I do want her to be president. But keeping a Republican out of the White House is an important strategic motive as well, especially for anyone who cares about the rights of women.

uglyswan Sun 07-Feb-16 18:45:15

If you're going to vote, I'd vote in line with your political principals, OP. There is nothing feminist about electing a warmonger.

PosieReturningParker Sun 07-Feb-16 20:09:34

Sanders believes in equality and has no dirty Wall Street money lining his pockets and governing every policy and he has voted for equality more than she has, and always against war.

LassWiTheDelicateAir Sun 07-Feb-16 20:35:34

If I were making the choice I'd find it a difficult one. As a person Sanders seems to have a personal integrity which Clinton does not.

From the point of view of keeping a Republican out of the White House Clinton is probably the safer choice.

I think I probably would vote for her but I don't particularly like her. She has been caught out lying (that ridiculous statement about being under fire at an airport). Glossing over Bill's behaviour didn't endear her to me either.

PosieReturningParker Sun 07-Feb-16 20:37:15

Let's see how these next few months go and then decide who's electable.

I am very hopeful!

CordeliaFrost Sun 07-Feb-16 21:14:15

Sanders has my vote, no doubt about it, and I'm sick of being targeted on Twitter by Hillary voters because of it.

I will be voting in line with my principles.

Susan Sarandon has had this to say on the issue...

I'm on the bad side of a lot of women right now for supporting Bernie and my line is always, "I don't vote with my vagina." It's so insulting to women to think that you would follow a candidate just because she's a woman."

Did you see what Gloria Steinem said about young female voters who are backing Bernie? For those who haven't see it, she said this...

"Women get more radical as we get older,” Steinem said. “Men tend to get more conservative because they gain power as they age, and women get more radical because they lose power as they age… When you’re young, you’re thinking, ‘Where are the boys?’ The boys are with Bernie.”

How utterly insulting to the young women who are backing Bernie, one of whom is my 19-year cousin, who is a Sanders supporter because of his policies and nothing more.

Gloria Steinem has now backtracked and apologized, saying her words were misinterpreted, and she wasn't implying young women are't serious about politics (despite the fact that's exactly how it read).

Wizwo Sun 07-Feb-16 21:44:06

If I lived and voted in the USA (I lived there for many years and follow the politics closely still), I would unhesitatingly be voting for Clinton, and what's more I'd be out there volunteering for her campaign.

The idea that Clinton is anything other than a straight-up liberal Democrat is laughable - her voting record when she was in the Senate was well to the left of both Biden and Obama. If you have a specific pet policy area she doesn't come out well in then fair enough but the overall picture is of a liberal, which fits the activist background she had before she and Bill were in big-time national politics.

The major differences between Sanders and Clinton are mostly in method, not policy. Clinton is more pragmatic, and is good at working with Republicans. Whoever is nominated will need to be good at that as the GOP has the House, Senate and about 3/5 of state governorships - the overall national mood is conservative atm.

Clinton is scandal-prone and has an appalling relationship with the media (much of which is a product of media sexism) but is also used to having all kinds of shit thrown at her. There won't be anything new the Republicans will be able to dig up on her.

If the Dems throw away the only opportunity in this generation to have a female presidential nominee of such experience, calibre AND electability, I will frankly be embarrassed for them.

DrSeussRevived Sun 07-Feb-16 23:04:59

She is an immensely experienced candidate and that counts for a lot.

0phelia Sun 07-Feb-16 23:20:27

Oh come off it.
The Clinton foundation has seriously dodgy funding including about $25bn from Saudi Arabia.

She is allied to the most corrupt misogynistic regimes on our planet.

This woman gleefully accepts billions from a group of men who believe stoning of women because she has been raped is A-OK.

Sanders tells groups of men like this to back off and their money is not OK.

Clinton is corrupt, and a hypocrite of the highest order.

0phelia Sun 07-Feb-16 23:23:26

Unfortunately I think Clinton will win. She has Wall Street backing, unlike Sanders.

TheXxed Mon 08-Feb-16 02:20:59

Yes my specific pet policies are welfare and warmongering how very niche of me wizwo

NewYearsAoibhe Mon 08-Feb-16 02:32:05

I'm for Bernie. But the more I see how well he's doing, the more I wish Warren had run. If she had, I think she would have been the nominee.

Partly because Clinton will draw votes from people, mainly women, who like them both, prefer Sanders politically, but will prioritise backing a woman for the presidency. And to be honest, I think that's a legitimate reason to back Clinton. Representation is important, and it's about damn time. It's not enough to sway me this time around, because I really believe in Sanders' message, but I understand and respect why it would sway others who are more on the fence than I am.

The other reason I think Warren would be doing even better than Sanders is, is that while she is about as progressive as he is, she would not be calling herself a Democratic Socialist, which will be where a big chunk of Independents and centrist Democrats will rule Sanders out.

A Sanders/Warren ticket would be great, but I don't think there's any chance of it, purely for geographical reasons. They'll need someone who appeals to the South and Midwest, and two New Englanders isn't going to cut it.

TeiTetua Mon 08-Feb-16 20:56:47

Plenty of people are gaping at remarks made by prominent women (Gloria Steinem and Madeleine Albright) about young women who decline to support Hillary Clinton. Unfortunately it's not the first time feminists have insulted women who don't see things entirely their way.

LassWiTheDelicateAir Mon 08-Feb-16 22:55:47

It is certainly going to be interesting. I'm sort of glad it's not a decision I have to make.

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