Katie Hopkins on Caitlyn Jenner

[honeysucklejasmine]

I know CJ's comments at the glamour awards have been discussed before, but I wondered what you make of the following article?

Personally I am finding myself in absolute agreement. I have nothing against Jenner but I really don't see why she's held up as such an amazing person, not really having achieved anything special as a woman.

KATIE HOPKINS:Caitlyn, being a woman isn't about what you wear Daily Fail link

[hollyisalovelyname]

I thought it was a great article and I'm no fan of Katie's.

[honeysucklejasmine]

Yes, same. I know she's just a rent-a-controversial-gob but she was well reasoned and expresses a potentially difficult viewpoint very well.

[coffeeisnectar]

About the only time I've ever agreed with Katie Hopkins. I can't speak for all or any trans people but the only one I know in rl seems as self obsessed with looks, clothes and make up as Caitlyn while the ex wife deals with the fall out and the kids. Not one word about the issues they are facing but hey! Look at me in my new swimsuit! I'm so amazing!

Maybe it's a phase? After years of suppressing how they feel and finally are able to wear what they want so it's like a kid in a sweet shop with a ten pound note?

Definitely not woman of the year though.

[MyNameIsInigoMontoya]

OMG am actually wanting to cheer some of the things in that article! - not just the CJ stuff but also some of the other bits - "working like a husband" and the mentions of what other women have to deal with. Agreeing with Katie Hopkins, whatever next?

[BondJayneBond]

I never thought I'd agree with Katie Hopkins. But I think that's an excellent article.

[originalmavis]

I am still speechless after seeing the CJ photoshoot of her in a gold wheelchair.

[PassiveAgressiveQueen]

I am feeling worried, agreeing with her...

[originalmavis]

Nah its that thing where people think they are psychic because they thought of someone out of the blue and then bump into them on the street. They don't think of the hundreds of days where they think of someone and don't bump into them. That and monkeys and typewriters banging out Shakespeare.

It has to happen sometimes but that doesn't make it a trend.

[dontcallmecis]

I will never agree that Caitlyn Jenner has transformed into a woman. But on the whole KH makes some excellent points. Not many of them haven't been said, but not in such a mainstream way, which is good.

[cigarsofthepharaoh]

Jesus I never thought I'd say that Katie Hopkins wrote a decent article!

I do worry that people will be able to use "Katie Hopkins writes violent transphobic article" and everyone will jump on it without bothering to read the well-reasoned arguments in it. And while she's definitely earned that response, in this instance I think it's a shame

[cigarsofthepharaoh]

And originalmavis, that was Kylie, Jenner's daughter, not Jenner. He still played a 50% role in raising someone who thought that was ok though...

[MrsTerryPratchett]

Average is average but extremes are always close. Communism and fascism. Ugly and beautiful. KH and feminists.

original you are getting close to the 'even a stopped clock is right twice a day' thingie.

[Thefitfatty]

The problem is she never actually said the "hardest part about being a woman is figuring out what to wear." What she said was:

"So it started with Diane Sawyer so eloquently and beautifully telling my story. And then when two months later the pictures and the name came out, boy oh boy, did the conversation change. No longer could the media go out there and say terrible things about me because they would be homophobic. Now, all of the sudden...transition, change, and boy did all of these conversations. I know all of these people coming up to me and say, all of a sudden all these new questions came into my life. People going: What's your style? What are you going to wear? Who are your heroes? Are you a feminist? All these questions, and I said, oh my god, I have so much to learn."

[MrsTerryPratchett]

Err. She is reported as saying, “The hardest part about being a woman is figuring out what to wear. It’s always that way; I never thought it would come to this. I had really no sense of style. Everyone around me in my family had the sense of style — I learned as much as I possibly could.”

[WeThreeMythicalKings]

I find it hard to argue with what KH says. Probably for the first and last time.

[muddymary]

Another one here who never thought she'd agree with Kh but in this instance I think this is a very well written article.
As an aside, I watched the series of I am cait (don't judge - I'm on mat leave) and it was mentioned that after transitioning, people go through a second adolescence (sp??) almost reliving their teenage years. Maybe that was behind the 'what to wear' comment because I can see some teenage girls giving a similar response.

[Thefitfatty]

Where did she supposedly say this, because it wasn't in her glamour acceptance speech. The whole speech is word for word here:

www.glamour.com/inspired/blogs/the-conversation/2015/11/caitlyn-jenner-speech

[Thefitfatty]

Ok, the actual buzzfeed question:

What’s the hardest part for you about being a woman?

The hardest part about being a woman is figuring out what to wear. It’s always that way; I never thought it would come to this. I had really no sense of style. Everyone around me in my family had the sense of style — I learned as much as I possibly could. But, it’s more than that. I’m kind of at this point in my life where I’m trying to figure this womanhood thing out. It is more than hair, makeup, clothes, all that kind of stuff. There’s an element here, that I’m still kind of searching for. And I think that’ll take a while. Because I think as far as gender, we’re all on a journey. We’re all learning and growing about ourselves. And I feel the same way.


Again, to be fair, they asked what the hardest part was for her, not for every woman, and she does go on to say its a lot more then clothes and style, etc. Given her life, I'm not surprised she said that.

Katie Hopkins is an asshat and I will never agree with what she says.

[originalmavis]

Ah, cigars, the namw must've been these somewhere and I connected the two as one! I did think she looked good for her age!

[VashtaNerada]

I have no problem with CJ identifying as female but totally agree it was a stupid fucking answer that comes from a privileged lifestyle. Not sure it 'proves' she's male though as there are plenty of stupid, privileged women out there and plenty of decent, underprivileged men. I think it just proves she's an idiot.

[Holowiwi]

Katie Hopkins is sexist, racist, disablist and just filled with bile and hatred if you find yourself agreeing with her then you really need to double check that you are on the right track. Next you will be agreeing with Donald trump.

[cigarsofthepharaoh]

originalmavis looked good for her age

Holowiwi people can agree with one thing someone said without agreeing with that person's life view. I can agree with a single article of hers without thinking that she's a decent person or that any of her other views are valid

[HermioneWeasley]

Another person alarmed that I'm broadly in agreement, but disagree that CJ has "transformed" into a woman, and I think she could and should have been tougher about women's lived realities, rooted in their biology

[dontcallmecis]

"I have found that women have so much unleashed power that they don’t really utilize because they don’t have confidence in themselves about who they are, and what they can do. "

^^ that was the comment of CJs that I thought, was mansplaining at its best.