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Are you a big fat cissexist?

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Cerseirys Tue 17-Nov-15 19:04:32

Because Everyday 'Feminism' thinks you are...

If this is the future of feminism then I despair, I really do!

VestalVirgin Tue 17-Nov-15 19:09:22

I am neither big (wish I were) nor fat, but I suppose I am cissexist, because I believe men are not women?

grimbletart Tue 17-Nov-15 19:14:52

Oh FFS - not another bloody heap of transactivist shit.

ArmchairTraveller Tue 17-Nov-15 19:17:00

I've given up despairing at the future of feminism, somehow the basics seem to survive despite all the fads and fashions. It's an ever-changing field.
<1970s vintage>

LauraMipsum Tue 17-Nov-15 19:25:26

I'm not a cissexist but I do think that writer's writing style is particularly grating. I do not like being addressed as "honey" even in the context of being addressed as a generic reader, because it's a belittling term of pseudo-endearment aimed at infantilising women. Perhaps the author could use a class in old-fashioned sexism.

Also, why is everybody obsessed with transsexuals? This topic gets disproportionate coverage and rouses disproportionate rage.

VestalVirgin Tue 17-Nov-15 19:27:04

The reason of the rage would be the fact that the transgender movement succeeded in having men put in women's prisons. Among other things.

The bizarre thing is that so much space on an allegedly feminist site is dedicated to ... men.

Cerseirys Tue 17-Nov-15 19:46:00

Everyday Feminism may as well change its name to Everyday Transactivism as that's all they care about. Trans women > biological women seems to be their unofficial motto. hmm

SoftDriftedSnow Tue 17-Nov-15 19:52:13

It's not about being obsessive about transsexuals. It's about focussing on women and pushing back against attempts to erase women as a class which would render Feminism void as a means of analysis and therefore a tool to shine light on existing oppression and inequality. And therefore harm women in the process.

That there are barely any feminist spaces left (irl or online) that are not riven with transangst is a travesty and will (has) contribute(d) to a backsliding of thought, discussion and action that is harmful to women. Just wait until the right wingers turn their attention to reproductive rights in this country.

slugseatlettuce Tue 17-Nov-15 19:52:48

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

RomComPhooey Tue 17-Nov-15 19:56:42

I couldn't get into the swing of that article at all. It was oddly lacking in content or explanation for an article aimed at educating people and really, really patronising all at once. Quite a feat to pull off in such a short article.

PacificDogwod Tue 17-Nov-15 19:57:00

I have no idea, and I don't actually care grin

I no other aspect of my life have I ever encountered 'cis-women' or otherwise - and I work with transgendered people.
Cissexism (is that a thing now?!) is not something I can afford to invest any strength on just now.
Meh, indeed.

Missyaggravation Tue 17-Nov-15 20:00:00

That article just makes no sense. Especially number 1. I really cannot get my head around the thinking behind it. So essentially that person thinks that sex and gender are basically the same thing, but then your biological sex doesn't constrain you in anyway as to what you do or like. But then that gender does define you in some way, and you can change gender and there are many genders. Im genuinely confused.

DickDewy Tue 17-Nov-15 20:03:40

I gave up at 'Not Noticing When Personal Information Forms Have Only ‘Male’ or ‘Female’ as Options'.

FFS. Ridiculous.

PlaysWellWithOthers Tue 17-Nov-15 20:32:08

Do you know what?

I wish we could go back to feminism.

I am sick to the back teeth with this constant centering of men, and men's needs, and men's mental health masquerading as feminist thinking. It's not.

And someone needs to go and sit that writer down and explain that, while they might not like science, it's not going to change because they close their eyes and wish it the fuck away.

I have every sympathy and the greatest respect for men who have the truly debilitating MH problem of sex dysphoria and the awful dysmorphia that goes with it, but feminism is about women. Not men.

CharlieSierra Tue 17-Nov-15 20:36:56


Hell yes!!

Blistory Tue 17-Nov-15 20:36:56

I can't take away the pain that some transwomen seem to feel as a result of -

being physically different to biological women
not menstruating
never giving birth
never experiencing childhood as a girl
having male bodies etc etc

None of that is my fault and wishing that I and other feminists pretend that these difference don't exist, isn't going to erase that pain. Maybe loving, cherishing and respecting them as transwomen would go someway towards helping with that pain. Maybe creating additional support and space for them in society in their own right as transwomen would help to ease that pain. Maybe focusing on the men who attack, ridicule and ignore them would help ease that pain.

Discriminating against transwomen is 'cissexist'. Simply believing that they are different but equal isn't.

TigersOfAlexpolis Tue 17-Nov-15 20:38:14

Was this entire site written by a teenager who has possibly just received a dictionary as a present? It doesn't exactly read as though the writer is very mature.

FlorisApple Tue 17-Nov-15 20:45:41

PMSL (in a bleak way) at the final comment: "Just because you've done cissexist things, doesn't make you an inherently bad person." Well, thanks for that. Very big of you not to class nearly the whole of humanity me as "inherently bad."

On another note, and maybe it's already been mentioned here, but has anyone seen this insightful interview with the guy who has set up the petition to drop the "T" from LBGT?

stitchglitched Tue 17-Nov-15 20:47:45

I don't get what's wrong with showing off baby photos confused

ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight Tue 17-Nov-15 20:55:09

believing that xx and xy actually mean something

Fuck yeah they mean something! They don't mean anything to do with pink and blue but they fucking mean something

ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight Tue 17-Nov-15 20:57:05

6. Never Wondering Why Tampons Aren’t in Men’s Restrooms


ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight Tue 17-Nov-15 20:59:58

Stores Having ‘Men’s’ or ‘Women’s’ Clothes That Only Fit Specific Body Types

So topshop should start selling women's clothes cut to a male physique? Fashion shops barely carry higher than a size 16 because there isn't the demand for them, they should carry differently cut clothes in a range of sizes that barely any fucker wants to buy, at great financial loss, to make trans women feel better?

PlaysWellWithOthers Tue 17-Nov-15 21:08:23

So topshop should start selling women's clothes cut to a male physique? Fashion shops barely carry higher than a size 16 because there isn't the demand for them, they should carry differently cut clothes in a range of sizes that barely any fucker wants to buy, at great financial loss, to make trans women feel better?

to make trans women feel better

Answered that for you.

And that's not such a bad thing, I don't know anyone that wishes harm or pain on Mtf trans* people, but I'm not 100% sure Top Shop and the like are going to fall into line the way women have been forced into doing, just because someone has a public tantrum on the internet.

VestalVirgin Tue 17-Nov-15 21:13:03

Actually, since stores successfully resisted any pressure to sell clothes for short women, or fat women, or women with big breasts, etc., I don't think they will change just because of this article.

Although the trans might actually be able to put political pressure on the stores. Because unlike women, men matter. envy

WaitroseEssentialPancetta Tue 17-Nov-15 21:19:29

The 'honey' is unbelievable. On a 'feminist' website!? Ditto the patronising tone.

Although maybe I deserve to be patronised because I found the baby photos bit and the male tampons bit rather confusing.

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