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Backlash against older feminists

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BuffytheScaryFeministBOO Tue 17-Nov-15 08:46:08

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OneMoreCasualty Tue 17-Nov-15 09:13:54

Once again the troubles of trans women are the fault of feminists, I see.

sausageeggbacon111 Tue 17-Nov-15 09:15:58

After the attitude of Bindel last year of lock all men in a camp and check them out like a library book as a mother of boys I can relate to what is in the article. Having read some of Bindel's "research" I can see why people mistrust her. I have read a lot of media snippets by "well respect" journalists and to be frank I can seriously relate to the wanting to distance myself from some of the attitudes I have read over the last couple of years.

Eaves was a well respected charity yet when Bindel got involved it moved towards a lobby group. I feel for any woman who is homeless but when monies are being spent on "research" like the massively slated Lilith rather than providing homes there is a slippage away into this do it our way or the highway attitude that these so called journalist froth about. So don't think it is just the younger women who are finding issue, I am certain there are a lot more world wide who are over the age of 40 who do not and cannot relate to these women.

Elendon Tue 17-Nov-15 10:29:01

I feel all icky now I've clicked on that site.

It's not a good article. People who write that shite are well avoided.

scallopsrgreat Tue 17-Nov-15 10:38:31

As a mother of boys, I can't relate to what is in the article at all.

Bindel's lock all men in a camp was tongue in cheek, no? And men have never done that to women, ever, have they? Oh wait...

VestalVirgin Tue 17-Nov-15 10:41:19

I stopped reading when she mentioned Greer in her list of feminists to be boycotted. (And was tempted to stop at the first line, where there was "cis"). Icky.

Isn't it funny, though, that they call for a boycott of feminists well before they have even considered boycotting some of the worst patriarchal media outlets?
(To be fair, I have not researched just now, but I think I am reasonably well-informed, and I have never heard libfems call for boycott of any patriarchal institution or business, not even those who have zero women in top positions.)

FreshwaterSelkie Tue 17-Nov-15 10:45:53

I come over all Inigo Montoya when I see "hate speech" used in that way. You keep using that word...I do not think it means what you think it means.

You disagree with me = hate speech. It just gets thrown around willy-nilly.

It's very sad, I feel so sorry for all the young feminists out there who are being sold this bill of goods. I know social change often comes about by overturning what went before, but the baby and the bathwater have both gone out the window with all of this, and where does that leave the young feminist? thinking that articles like this are progressive, when it's the same old SHUTUPWOMEN as it ever was.

Oswin Tue 17-Nov-15 10:55:36

I'm 24 I think I feel more comfortable with older feminists than I would the type of feminist that wrote that article.
I was pondering why I feel poles apart from liberal feminists the other day. I thought maybe it could be because I never went to uni or college. I only use facebook and mumsnet. The only time I use twitter or tumblr I come away like this shock.

I would like to think that even if I was in the uni environment surrounded by liberal feminists I would still hold the views I do but peer pressure is a powerful thing.

That article is fucking disrespectful to the feminists that have paved the way for us. Bloody rude.

BuffytheScaryFeministBOO Tue 17-Nov-15 11:02:07

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MephistophelesApprentice Tue 17-Nov-15 11:14:44

There appears to be a divide in strategy between the classic civil rights movement in american ethnic politics and the modern "Black Lives Matter" movement. The rejection of reconciliatory approaches and the denigration of those within their community who support them is notable.

MephistophelesApprentice Tue 17-Nov-15 11:15:36

And one could argue that the antagonism between blairites and corbynites in the labour party is evidence of a similar separation of perspectives.

BuffytheScaryFeministBOO Tue 17-Nov-15 11:17:12

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VestalVirgin Tue 17-Nov-15 11:19:43

Buffy, the only group I have some knowledge about are the political left / socialists, and while there is some disagreement between different schools of thought, that is never the first thing presented to the general public.

This "I hate older feminists!" and putting biological males who identify as female first thing is unique to the feminist movement as far as I can tell.

It makes sense that feminism is most vulnerable to that kind of irrationality; no other oppressed group traditionally marry their oppressors, or have children that belong to the oppressor class.

glenthebattleostrich Tue 17-Nov-15 11:20:46

I'm not going to claim muck knowledge but the more I read trans activists billshit the more I consider them MRA. It's all them same woman hating bollocks.

And this so called liberalism , where anyone who disagrees with anything someone thinks is a big old bigot and everyone must be offended at least 5 times a day by innocuous things is really pissing me off.

Please feel free to campaign for whatever reason you see fit but ffs stop trampling over my right to free speech, labeling me with made up bullshit to make you feel better and accept that dome things are set in stone - biology being one.

Sorry if this isn't the right place for the rant but I'm fed up with being expected to apologise for being born with and continuing to own a vagina by certain sections of the trans community.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel Tue 17-Nov-15 11:21:54

So depressing.

BuffytheScaryFeministBOO Tue 17-Nov-15 11:32:00

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SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed Tue 17-Nov-15 11:33:29

I'm the mother of boys, I can't relate to anything in that article either. If I posted the link to my sons, they'd think it was bollocks too.

I guess I must have brainwashed the poor chaps.

MephistophelesApprentice Tue 17-Nov-15 11:38:39

And this so called liberalism , where anyone who disagrees with anything someone thinks is a big old bigot and everyone must be offended at least 5 times a day by innocuous things is really pissing me off.

One of the interesting things about the impact of the transmovement on feminism is that I now see so many quotes from feminists about the issue which could have belonged to less-than-progressive men talking about feminism.

Switch out liberalism for feminism, and bigot for misogynist, and it looks very familiar. Not truly equivalent, of course, apart from people feeling that their strongly held beliefs are under attack from people who could never truly share their perspective.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed Tue 17-Nov-15 11:39:00

"Does this happen in other social movements, does anyone know? Do civil rights or socialist activists today pour such obvious scorn on those who went before? "

That's a good question. I can't see environmentalists (for example) deciding that trees aren't that important after all, and insisting we should burn more coal, and that climate change is something dreamt up by nasty, old Greenpeace to deprive us of modern technology.

noblegiraffe Tue 17-Nov-15 11:42:55

Christ, what a self-indulgent whiny piece of crap. It reads like a teenager writing a furious tear-stained rant against their parents and how they don't understand them.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed Tue 17-Nov-15 11:46:23

glenthebattleostrich That is how trans-activists come across to me too. They really do sound like MRAs. I've posted here before saying they do nothing for trans people, they are furthering some other agenda.

The same is true of the idea that prostitution is empowering. I find it hard to believe that is the case for the vast majority of prostituted women, and anyone with an ounce of common sense would see that. That's another group who have hijacked feminism to remove the rights of women and promote their own agenda.

BuffytheScaryFeministBOO Tue 17-Nov-15 11:48:27

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MephistophelesApprentice Tue 17-Nov-15 12:02:54

Wasn't that what the article was about, Buffy? Those who feel powerless and voiceless striking back at those who dominate the platform?

Feminism (or mainstream feminism, as the article defines it) is the establishment now. It's not really the rebellious subculture of it's youth, and those seeking to lash out against the status quo (as the young often do) see it as just one element of the dominant power structure; contentious within that structure, perhaps, but still an integral component.

MephistophelesApprentice Tue 17-Nov-15 12:03:28

I've been playing post structuralist computer games recently. The Assassins Creed: Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

BuffytheScaryFeministBOO Tue 17-Nov-15 12:10:59

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