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Taylor Swift vs Nicki Minaj

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MyChildDoesntNeedSleep Wed 22-Jul-15 21:16:04

Apologies if already discussed. I couldn't see a thread.

What are your thoughts on this debacle? I have always been a Taylor fan, but since reading limited newspaper articles went over to Minaj's side. But then I watched the bloody Anaconda video and I just thought ffs, wtaf?!

MyChildDoesntNeedSleep Wed 22-Jul-15 21:17:35

www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jul/22/nicki-minaj-debate-bigger-than-taylor-swifts-ego

Fuckedoff01 Wed 22-Jul-15 21:18:15

Seems like Nicki is throwing a strop because she wasn't nominated, which is embarrassing

MyChildDoesntNeedSleep Wed 22-Jul-15 21:18:35

www.salon.com/2015/07/22/10_questions_taylor_swift_could_have_asked_herself_before_picking_a_fight_with_nicki_minaj/

DancingLadyEmoji Wed 22-Jul-15 21:19:20

I love Taylor too, but just read this m.huffpost.com/us/entry/55afa165e4b08f57d5d30d1e

MyChildDoesntNeedSleep Wed 22-Jul-15 21:19:22

I think the Anaconda video is embarrassing. I wouldn't let my boys watch it.

swallowed Wed 22-Jul-15 21:19:36

I've no idea about anything specific relating to the both of them.

However, from the limited amount I have seen and heard, I'd be banning Nicki Minaj from the house for being a foul mouthed, drugs glorifying, booty shaking whore....

Whilst welcoming Taylor in with open arms for being a strong ish female role model who mostly keeps her clothes on.

Am I missing something?

BertieBotts Wed 22-Jul-15 21:22:32

I'm with swallowed. Though I disagree with the use of the word whore.

swallowed Wed 22-Jul-15 21:26:46

I did think twice about it Bertie. But that's what she's trying to channel. That's what it is (imo).

I x posted with OP and have only just read the link. I agree Taylor misread, misunderstood or misinterpreted Minaj's meaning and her reply was inappropriate and clunky.

However I am not going to get excited about who wins "most outrageously sexy man toy and insult to feminism 2015" between Minaj, Miley and whoever the hell else they feel belongs in that particularly unsavoury category.

MyChildDoesntNeedSleep Wed 22-Jul-15 21:27:11

Dancing, it's interesting bc I love Taylor and am a feminist and also against racism (rolls eyes, as everybody should be!). I immediately thought 'oh Taylor, you have just lost a fan!' But then I watched the Anaconda video and realised this is a ridiculous conversation!

MyChildDoesntNeedSleep Wed 22-Jul-15 21:29:56

I agree with you, swallowed. Even with the word 'whore'. I can't believe even the Guardian have waded ion on Minaj's side!

MyChildDoesntNeedSleep Wed 22-Jul-15 21:30:08

In on

MyChildDoesntNeedSleep Wed 22-Jul-15 21:31:23

Minaj's would be a legitimate complaint if it wasn't for the ridiculous nature of her video.

MyChildDoesntNeedSleep Wed 22-Jul-15 21:31:46

Why would that get Best Video?

Mide7 Wed 22-Jul-15 21:33:34

I think Minaj has a point. I don't particularly like her music but I think she does some "interesting" stuff and in a mostly male dominated field.

swallowed Wed 22-Jul-15 21:34:37

I'm glad Anaconda isn't winning any prizes but unfortunately I doubt it's because the industry has decided to take a stand against arse-out, writhing poor role models.

It makes me want to weep. I can't show my year four class anything on YouTube without hip hop videos popping up on the front page with virtually naked skinny minnies shaking their arses in blokes faces for money.

So what do the women do? Do they take a stand? No, in their own videos (with presumably creative control) they compete to get even more of their arses out and dry hump a fucking snake like its their last chance to get fed this side of 2019.

It's fucking depressing.

MyChildDoesntNeedSleep Wed 22-Jul-15 21:34:45

I can't link to the vid on my phone, bc it keeps going to my YouTube app, but THIS is an indication of the content

swift13 Wed 22-Jul-15 21:35:31

#TeamTaylor.

The anaconda video sucks and Nicki minaj is a bit of a moron.

She did the classic backtrack and tried to claim it wasn't a dig when she got caught out.

Same as Kim kardashian did after she weighed in on it

Plus I checked Nicki minajs twitter today (i already follow taylor) and she had retweeted several tweets insulting Taylor which lacks all class.

But then, from my username you can already tell I am a Taylor fan :D:D:D

StainlessSteelBegonia Wed 22-Jul-15 21:36:12

1. The VMAs are a highly commercialised trash-a-thon that rewards sales & popularity over art. (See: the ghastly Robin Thicke and Miley Cyrus twerkathon duet from a few years ago.)

2. Both Swift & Minaj produced videos that sell female bodies in a pretty obvious way. Minaj's video has a much more pointed sense of humour about it, though.

3. Minaj is absolutely correct in pointing out that, as the VMAs are all about popularity and commercial success, there is no sensible reason why Anaconda was snubbed. Anaconda has been HUGE. By VMA standards, it's a pretty mad omission.

4. I think Minaj is absolutely correct in her belief that Anaconda's omission from the nominations is rooted in popular culture's habit of overlooking black artists, but rewarding white artists who draw on black culture for inspiration.

5. The above is not Swift's fault personally, but she's sure standing on a whole pile o' privilege that isn't afforded to Minaj.

I like Anaconda, personally. Yes it's ridiculous and the video is gratuitous, but it's also a (rare) female-lens sexual fantasy in pop music: "I don't diet and my round womanly ass is so sexy it turns strong men into jelly."

And no women are beaten or murdered in it, which is a plus (I'm looking at you, Rihanna).

Mide7 Wed 22-Jul-15 21:36:52

Although now I've just watched the video ( well 30 seconds before I couldn't stand it) blush

achieve15 Wed 22-Jul-15 21:37:13

I don't know why TS assumed NM meant her, but I was just baffled that NM though that video deserved an award. What about that deserves an award? I actually find it really horrible tbh - I have only seen it because it was on in the gym and I was on the elliptical thinking "what horror is this?" Lucky I didn't fall off!! If it had been a treadmill, I might have done.

Charitygirl1 Wed 22-Jul-15 21:38:06

Oh terrific! Women called 'whore' in Feminism chat. What is wrong with you?

TychosNose Wed 22-Jul-15 21:38:13

Both videos are disgusting IMO.
The graun article is really sexist too.

achieve15 Wed 22-Jul-15 21:38:51

PS this "different kind of artist" - that video is just horrendous, I don't think it matters at all who put it out, and I am genuinely mystified that NM thinks it "impacts culture". How so?? (not suggesting any or many pop videos impact culture).

Charitygirl1 Wed 22-Jul-15 21:38:53

Well said stainlesssteel

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