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Kids thrown in juvenile detention for refusing to see possibly violent father

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Dervel Wed 15-Jul-15 16:42:23

This can't be right can it?

www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/29496924/family-judge-orders-kids-held-in-juvenile-center-after-refusing-to-see-father

BerylStreep Wed 15-Jul-15 16:51:15

Wow! Poor kids. Not sure it is a feminism issue though.

BettyCatKitten Wed 15-Jul-15 17:33:51

Bloody hell, that's outrageous! It's in USA so I'm not sure what 'rights' children have there, none by the looks of it.

Tetleys Wed 15-Jul-15 17:38:41

wow, fathers have the right not to see their children. it seems unbelievable.

INickedAName Thu 16-Jul-15 12:06:06

It's shocking that they were detained. It's also shocking that the father could have them released but hasn't done so. His children saw him hit their mum, it's understandable they might not want to see him, never mind be ordered to attend lunch with him.

I hope it's a one off and those children are returned to mum. But if it becomes a regular thing, it is a feminist issue, because I think violent and controlling exes or husbands will use it to threaten and control.

basgetti Thu 16-Jul-15 12:21:22

The judge has reversed her decision in the wake of a public outcry. She had also previously refused to give the Mum a protective order despite allegations of abuse. Hopefully she can use this to have the judge removed from her case.

The ironic thing is the Dad moved abroad, so its fine for him to opt out of his children's lives, but they are expected to present themselves to him when he demands. And the day they were locked up he flew off back to Israel despite the children not being allowed visits by their Mum and her family.

almondcakes Thu 16-Jul-15 12:37:00

The judge should be removed from the legal profession, an investigation should be launched, and the children should be paid huge sums in compensation.

Anniegetyourgun Thu 16-Jul-15 13:12:01

So much for the land of the free and the home of the brave, eh?

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

meglet Thu 16-Jul-15 13:32:47

it's so awful. I heard about it the other day and was raging about it.

PosterEh Thu 16-Jul-15 13:48:35

I can't believe the assumption that the father can't possibly be abusive because he is a well-liked upstanding member of the community and hasn't been arrested.

PosterEh Thu 16-Jul-15 13:53:54

Oh and that he'd "move mountains" to see his possessions kids.

almondcakes Thu 16-Jul-15 14:16:15

Even if everything the father has said is true, and everything the mother is saying is untrue, it isn't a crime for children not to want a 'healthy relationship' with their father and the kids should not be punished.

And no child should ever be punished by being told they're not allowed to see their siblings, or mother, or people related to their mother, for nine years. Or asked by a judge if they'd rather have lunch with their father or go to the bathroom in front of other people for nine years.

scallopsrgreat Thu 16-Jul-15 15:05:59

Oh this is rage-enducing. Punishing the children for the behaviour of the parents.

This is a feminist issue because it once again plays into the trope of evil bitter woman turning children against honourable wonderful father who only wants the best for his children. It's a feminist issue because children have been taken from their mother and their siblings against their will.

The father agreed to the children going to prison. The mother didn't. Remind me again which one is supposed to be the abusive one?

hesterton Thu 16-Jul-15 17:17:31

This is beyond disgusting. Read the transcript of the court case, available on the link above. That judge is totally unfit to work. She threatens the children if they won't apologise to the father and have a proper conversation over lunch which she will monitor to check they are really sorry for their misdemeanor of not wanting to spend time with the man who hit their mother. The children are awesome. The eldest tries to point out that they have done nothing wrong but their father has been allowed to hit their mother but she virtually calls him a criminal for not wanting to see the man. He's 15! You can't make him talk to someone he doesn't want to talk to, that's not on. I feel furious on their behalf. V glad they have so much support.

hesterton Thu 16-Jul-15 17:19:37

She says she'll lock them in different cells until they're 18 (they're 9, 10, and 15) unless their dad feels they are sorry enough. And no contact with anyone without their dad's permission until then!

Gah! His makes me so angry.

hesterton Thu 16-Jul-15 17:21:59

Can you imagine threatening a 9 year old for that. A 9 year old!!

Then she says she will review it when they're 18. So in other words, making out she can keep an adult locked up for not wanting a relationship with their dad.

I am so horrified by this.

almondcakes Thu 16-Jul-15 17:24:09

Here is the actual transcript. It has to be seen to be believed:

download.gannett.edgesuite.net/detnews/2015/pdf/showcausehearing_gorcyca.pdf

The dad then went to Israel for two weeks, despite his contact with the kids being the only way the judge would agree to release them. Apparently they are now on some kind of summer camp (supposedly for kids from juvenile hall). The older one was supposed to be on a high ability course at Stanford before all this happened.

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 Thu 16-Jul-15 22:29:37

Hold on what? She said she would have 3 children ages 9, 10 and 15 imprisoned (in solitary confinement? in separate prisons?) for up to 9 years?

For what, contempt of court?

What is the age of criminal responsibility in the US?

What the fuck?

Going to read the transcript now.

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 Thu 16-Jul-15 22:40:20

Oh my god that transcript. Just, I can't believe that. What is the age of criminal responsibility in the US? What are sentancing guidelines? They have committed no crime and have been locked up with an initial review in 3 months, and judge says she's comfy with them staying til end of high school age (what age is that?) and review then and past 18 also.

I don't understand this at all. Honestly I'm shocked. The little one is only 9. Just, what the fuck?

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 Thu 16-Jul-15 22:42:26

And it's so spiteful.

They aren't allowed to see their mum
Or anyone on their mum's side (grandparents? other relatives)
Or anyone else their mum sends to check if they are oK
Judge says they will have to go to the toilet with people watching, wants to upset them
Similarly says that they will not be allowed to see each other, more spite

I don't get it?

scallopsrgreat Thu 16-Jul-15 23:28:31

It is abusive. Those poor kids.

meglet Thu 16-Jul-15 23:36:19

I've had a look on twitter and there's a couple of petitions doing the rounds.

Some people are saying the kids have been released? I can't quite tell.

INickedAName Thu 16-Jul-15 23:41:09

That transcript sad

Those poor children.

BiscuitMillionaire Thu 16-Jul-15 23:58:10

That is unfuckingbelievable. They were released after two weeks, to be sent to summer camp
observer.com/2015/07/update-tsimhoni-kids-freed-effective-immediately/

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