Segregation of Female Scientists!

(91 Posts)
Sheitgeist Wed 10-Jun-15 12:10:25

Started a thread in Chat about this, but no one's noticed.

The Nobel Laureate Tim Hunt has made some ridiculous comments about female scientists:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/10/nobel-scientist-tim-hunt-female-scientists-cause-trouble-for-men-in-labs

He's apologised for causing offence, but says he still means it!

EBearhug Wed 10-Jun-15 12:20:15

The trouble is more like men failing to support women in STEM careers, and sexually harassing (when they're "in love with") the women who do manage to stick it out.

It's just so depressing.

tribpot Wed 10-Jun-15 12:28:51

Presumably to avoid any form of romantic entanglements, it would have to be lesbians and straight guys in one lab, gay guys and straight women in another - and as for the bisexuals, they would need individual labs.

But lest we forget, the problem is not just the romance but also the fact 'women cry' when you criticise them. And the pursuit of scientific truth requires there to be criticism. QED: women cannot be scientists. Presumably gay guys can take the criticism and so merely have to promise not to fall in love with anyone to pass muster.

Andrewofgg Wed 10-Jun-15 13:29:38

"Brilliant Scientist is also a Silly Twat"

Now there's news . . .

thedancingbear Wed 10-Jun-15 13:37:42

as for the bisexuals, they would need individual labs.

Surely by his logic they should be banned from science altogether. The lascivious fuckers cannot be trusted around anyone!

thedancingbear Wed 10-Jun-15 13:38:08

^"Brilliant Scientist is also a Silly Twat"

Now there's news . . .^

Well yes, and that.

sashh Wed 10-Jun-15 13:38:36

Well yes that scientist Pierre Curie went right down hill when a woman joined his lab as a student.

tribpot Wed 10-Jun-15 13:51:10

Surely by his logic they should be banned from science altogether.

I think he is advocating the banning of all women, gay men and bisexuals actually. Oh, and anyone left who can't take criticism.

slug Wed 10-Jun-15 13:52:29

As always twitter has a response

CollatalieSisters Wed 10-Jun-15 14:00:24

I heard this on the radio on in the background this morning and, not catching the entirety, thought he'd made some satirical remarks that had been taken seriously in an unfortunate cross-culture mix-up. Then I was like shock angry angry when I understood it was some serious remarks. I knew people with these views existed, but not to have the sense/perspective to know that most people are going to think you are ludicrous and that this is standing in the way of women in science... words fail me

tribpot Wed 10-Jun-15 14:41:05

My fave.

MrNoseybonk Wed 10-Jun-15 14:52:46

I've worked in science for years in all male labs, mixed labs and predominantly femal labs and have never known any crying or sexual shenanigans to happen.
Sounds like he is a typical bully and mysoginist.
Who the hell falls in love with their staff these days?
He should be more professional.

scallopsrgreat Wed 10-Jun-15 15:08:46

"But lest we forget, the problem is not just the romance but also the fact 'women cry' when you criticise them."
Because obviously crying is the worst thing you can do in a lab... oh wait.

I agree with you tribpot. What passes as 'criticism' could also be described as abuse. Or bullying. Or micro managing. Or full of one's own self-importance.

thedancingbear Wed 10-Jun-15 15:16:24

Exactly, scallops, you can just tell this guy's a massive workplace bully. He wouldn't spout this shit if anyone was in a position to stand up to him.

slicedfinger Wed 10-Jun-15 15:21:38

Utterly gobsmacked that he continues to defend it!

That is a nice rack…I can completely understand that the male scientists might find themselves distracted by it.

Sheitgeist Wed 10-Jun-15 15:36:07

A distraction. Sigh. I can't help but have this ridiculous image of a Benny Hill chase with busty, 'girl' scientists wearing short, revealing lab coats and goofy, bespectacled 'proper' men scientists chasing each other around the lab and not getting much work done.

I know the reality is very much more mundane and dull. Because most people are professional, respectful towards their professional peers, and can manage to get through the working day without falling in love or crying.

tribpot Wed 10-Jun-15 16:05:01

Because obviously crying is the worst thing you can do in a lab...

Indeed. And even if people (because, let's face it, men actually do cry as well) react differently to criticism that doesn't make it impossible to criticise them. It simply means you have to accept that ... ready yourselves for this revelation ... not all people are the same.

Boom - can I have a Nobel Prize as well now?

LurcioAgain Wed 10-Jun-15 16:08:14

As one of my colleagues just said (we're both female scientists) what does it say about him that he frequently reduced people to tears in his lab? What sort of a person does that? I (fortunately) have never had a boss, supervisor or PhD advisor, of either sex, do that to me. What sort of people do that? Oh yes, bullies, that's right.

YonicScrewdriver Wed 10-Jun-15 18:45:43

He's married to an immunology professor.

<d'oh!>

YonicScrewdriver Wed 10-Jun-15 18:48:22

A major point that he has missed by claiming it's a joke... Would he say "don't have black people in your lab because they play distracting rap music" or something equally ludicrous and claim it was a joke? No because he'd know that it was a racist comment.

MonstrousRatbag Wed 10-Jun-15 19:38:13

My favourite comment is: 'Tim Hunt: puts the nob in Nobel'.

tribpot Wed 10-Jun-15 21:17:23

Amazing comment article here - ban old men from science.

ErrolTheDragon Wed 10-Jun-15 21:24:09

This one is quite fun too.

tribpot Thu 11-Jun-15 06:42:10

Tim Hunt has now resigned.

YonicScrewdriver Thu 11-Jun-15 06:48:31

I think that's the right outcome.

I also don't know why he thinks labs are unique. They are a workplace. Relationships in the workplace are common and need to be carefully handled, science or not. Does he think Yvette Cooper should be sent to work in a different Parliament?

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